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IH 140 Touch Control won't lift anymore

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KX2B

04-14-2006 13:20:06




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I split my 140 to do some clutch work and had to remove the Touch Control Manifold tubes. After putting the tractor back together, I cleaned the large strainer assembly, replaced the Manifold gasket, and refilled the system with new Hy-Tran Ultra fluid. Followed the procedure in the Operators Manual for bleeding off the air, but now when I advance the levers, the hydraulics do not move or put a load on the motor.

All worked great before I split the tractor. There are NO leaks or fluid loss. When running, I can feel vibration in the high pressure line of the manifold tuess and the pump gets slightly warm to the touch with time. Thought there might be an air lock so put an air nozzle & rag in the fill hole and tried to force out the air - still no results.

The nearest hydraulic shop that can test my pump is several hours away and I don't have access to a Schrader gauge to check the pressure.

Anybody got any ideas before I start looking hard at the Hydraulic pump unit?

John

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Hugh MacKay

04-15-2006 03:39:33




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 Re: IH 140 Touch Control won't lift anymore in reply to KX2B, 04-14-2006 13:20:06  
KX2B: Your problem is obviously air. While I've never had any serious hydraulic problems with these little tractors, I've had those hydraulic lins off on numerous ocasions for repairs such as clutch, engine, etc. I've never had to purge the system with air or even remove that little bleeder screw.

First off do not run the tractor anymore than necessary without that hydraulic oil circulating. That little pump needs the oil for lubrication. Fill the touch controll to full mark, then place the tractor on a steep down grade. With engine off, loosen the pipes at the pump, this should allow air to escape and oil to flow by graviety to the pump. Once oil gets to the pump, it should pick it up. Thus at that point retighten the lines at pump and start the tractor. I might add, I've never had to do this, nor have I ever had to bleed one of these systems. Even with those steel tubes empty the pump pulled the oil through in a matter of seconds. Once that pump gets oil it will soon take any air back to the resivoir.


Another question, have you cleaned the cylinder type screen on the left side of the touch control unit. That screen could be stopping the free flow of oil back to the pump. This could also explain why it worked before you took it apart and now that air has been introduced, your just not getting that free flow of oil.

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nc140man

04-14-2006 18:05:34




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 Re: IH 140 Touch Control won't lift anymore in reply to KX2B, 04-14-2006 13:20:06  
I had the same problem with My 140! The pump had an air bubble or something in it! Couldn't get it primed!Took off coil wire so it wouldn't start, took off little pipe plug on upper end of hard lines and cranked until all foamy fluid gone. Put plug back in, connected coil up, fired up, still took some bleeding to get rid of all air but worked finally! Good luck! Scott



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KX2B

04-15-2006 12:28:13




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 Re: IH 140 Touch Control won't lift anymore in reply to nc140man, 04-14-2006 18:05:34  
Thanks for the good tips. Will give them a try.
I cleaned the cylinder screen before adding new Hy-Tran fluid.

John



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kx2b

05-09-2006 14:05:13




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 Re: IH 140 Touch Control won't lift anymore in reply to KX2B, 04-15-2006 12:28:13  
Tried all the ideas for bleeding air and no results, so removed the pump. Took it to a hydraulic shop and had it checked. Pump and seal were in very good condition so ruled that out as a problem.

Removed the gas tank and pulled the valve/cylinder unit. Noticed the control valve rubber boots were crumbling and snagging up in the yokes that work them back and forth. There were no boots on the pistons. Cleaned up that area and put new leather boots on the pistons and new rubber boots on the control valves.

On the other side of the valve/cylinder unit, I removed the bolts, and head plate. On the lower right, corner, I found the tiny oriface plug/screen. Removed it and washed with brake cleaner. Also took a look at the Regulator valve parts - pushed the poppet open and gave it a squirt of compressed air. Torqued the head bolts down and re-installed the valve/cylinder unit, filled with Hy-Tran fluid - this time both Touch Controls responded and I followed the Operator's Manual for bleeding. Back in business

Thanks to everone for all their suggestions and help.

John

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