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Well, I did it - Piston Chiseling, Part 2

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JohnG(TX)

04-24-2006 08:03:26




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I worked on the stuck piston this weekend and got most of it out, in pieces. Someone on the previous post said something about hammering something between the piston and block (or maybe not to), so I followed his advice and did just that, so now I have a hole in the sleeve, and most certainly in the block wall. It was not my intention, but just kinda happened as I was carving small chunks off into the center hole. I believe there is a fix for this. Has anyone fixed something like this? I think it involves boring out the sleeve liner and installing a new sleeve to accept the new liner. How much money am I looking at? I want to keep the block since it is original to this tractor and somewhat of a low-production year.

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El Toro

04-24-2006 10:43:49




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 Re: Well, I did it - Piston Chiseling, Part 2 in reply to JohnG(TX), 04-24-2006 08:03:26  
You should have used kerosene. Hal



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JohnG(TX)

04-24-2006 11:10:09




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 Re: Well, I did it - Piston Chiseling, Part 2 in reply to El Toro, 04-24-2006 10:43:49  
I did. No difference. I also lit the other three, and they are still stuck as tight as before.



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captaink

04-24-2006 09:09:09




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 Re: Well, I did it - Piston Chiseling, Part 2 in reply to JohnG(TX), 04-24-2006 08:03:26  
A machine shop will have all your answers from if/how to fix and the cost. I wish I’d have thought of it sooner, but that aluminum pistons would have melted out nicely with a flame wrench (just heat an area in the middle until it collapsed away then moved towards the outside) and you wouldn’t have hurt the block any. I prefer to press them out as a unit from the bottom, but sometimes that is not an option.

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RustyFarmall

04-24-2006 09:08:40




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 Re: Well, I did it - Piston Chiseling, Part 2 in reply to JohnG(TX), 04-24-2006 08:03:26  
I am happy that you got the piston out, but I am the one that told you to definately NOT drive anything in between the piston and sleeve because you WOULD break out the cylinder wall. Enough said.



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randy

04-24-2006 08:34:14




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 Re: Well, I did it - Piston Chiseling, Part 2 in reply to JohnG(TX), 04-24-2006 08:03:26  
most any machine shop can over bore it and install a press sleeve I had that done on a 454 international cost about 200 with a new piston and rings so not that bad



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Nebraska Cowman

04-24-2006 08:31:17




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 Re: Well, I did it - Piston Chiseling, Part 2 in reply to JohnG(TX), 04-24-2006 08:03:26  
It involves smearing the break with JB Weld and then sliding in a new sleeve. I had one once that was fixed that way and it never leaked.

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Bob

04-24-2006 08:17:56




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 Re: Well, I did it - Piston Chiseling, Part 2 in reply to JohnG(TX), 04-24-2006 08:03:26  
That outcome was certainly predictable!!!

Likely, either the block damage can be cleaned up a bit and a new sleeve intalled with sealer, or the block can be bored for a repair sleeve.

Next time, drill a hole in the piston, and use a Sawzall! Or press the piston and sleeve out together.



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John G(TX)

04-24-2006 08:27:48




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 Re: Well, I did it - Piston Chiseling, Part 2 in reply to Bob, 04-24-2006 08:17:56  
This piston was stuck harder than any I have faced before. I used a hacksaw to cut through part of it, and as the saw blade removed metal, the saw cut collapsed and pinched the blade. This happened twice in two places, so I don't think it would have come out any other way. I have heard that as aluminum pistons corrode, they expand, and sometimes can crack the sleeves. This may have happened before I got to it, and I just made it a little worse. The other three don't look nearly as bad, fairly good actually, but are still stuck tight. They are soaking right now, and I will get back to them in a few weeks or so.

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Nebraska Cowman

04-24-2006 10:58:31




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 Re: Well, I did it - Piston Chiseling, Part 2 in reply to John G(TX), 04-24-2006 08:27:48  
I tend to agree John that the aluminum swells and likely the sleeve was already craced or at least stressed. Good luck with your repairs but those old Ms are pretty forgiving. Let me know if you want a sleeve. I think there are some out in the shed.

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