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IHC H plug fires only with wire removed...

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R. Smith

05-11-2006 02:59:34




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A friend of mine has a 1965 4x4 with a 304 engine and an IHC H tractor and they both seem to have similar problems... but why? Instead of just replacing parts I thought maybe someone here could maybe shed some light on the matter.

With new spark plugs installed in both engines everything seems fine for say about an hour or so but then several plugs start to misfire and will only fire when the spark plug wires are either pulled out of the distributor socket say one quarter of an inch or off the plug by probably the same distance. The plugs look normal to the eye... but I suppose there could possibly be a coating that isn't discernable. New plugs and everything is fine for another hour or so. It's been too long ago for me to remember if cleaning the plugs helped for a while.

Does anyone have any ideas they would be willing to share?

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R. Smith

06-11-2006 08:17:27




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 Re: IHC H plug fires only with wire removed... in reply to R. Smith, 05-11-2006 02:59:34  
I just wanted to thank everyone for their input.
I will pass everything on to my friend... I wouldn't even mind trying to dink with his tractor but it's about 1100 miles from here. Thanks again to everyone.



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Bob M

05-11-2006 04:47:39




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 Re: IHC H plug fires only with wire removed... in reply to R. Smith, 05-11-2006 02:59:34  
Problem is the plugs are gradually fouling - even if you cannot see the fouling on the plug tip insulator.

What happens is as the tip insulator becomes fouled it becomes partially conductive. Voltage from the distributor then "bleeds" along the insulator to the plug shell rather than appearing as a spark at the gap. However by pulling the plug wire off a bit, voltage must build up sufficiently to bridge the new additional gap, and when it does there's enough energy to cause a spark at both the new gap AND at the plug. So the misfire disappears when you pull the wire off a bit.

Causes can be many - oil burning, plug heat range too cold, excessive idling or running too lightly loaded, carb set too rich, conductive additives in the fuel (lead, mystery oil, etc.) Sometimes a small coolant leak (eg. head gasket) will cause this too.

First thing I'd suggest is replacing the plugs with a set 1 or 2 heat ranges higher and see what happens.

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Allan In NE

05-11-2006 05:04:45




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 Re: IHC H plug fires only with wire removed... in reply to Bob M, 05-11-2006 04:47:39  
Well now, that makes sense.

In my case, I've suspected this carburetor all along. Darned thing has a "plug" where the shutoff solenoid should be and there is no high side adjustment. Further, it gets more than it's fair share of fuel at anything above an idle.

Thanks Bob,

Allan



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Allan In NE

05-11-2006 04:45:29




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 Re: IHC H plug fires only with wire removed... in reply to R. Smith, 05-11-2006 02:59:34  
I dunno,

This whole phenomenon has turned my "wrenching world" on it's ear.

Normally, I would have just said that the engine is pumping oil and needs overhauled.

However, I just went thru a similar episode with my Hydro 70 gasser. Darned thing would "carbon foul" with light use.

Guys here told me to install the electronic ignition, so I did and also changed plug brands.

My mind just can't wrap around this "cure", but that old tractor has not missed a single beat since. Runs like a brand new engine.

Allan

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Janicholson

05-11-2006 06:00:05




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 Re: IHC H plug fires only with wire removed... in reply to Allan In NE, 05-11-2006 04:45:29  
Good Day Allen,
The electronic ignition will dump the coil voltage faster and more cleanly than the points ever could, in addition the new coil is probably 20% hotter. These combine to push a much hotter inital voltage to the plug. I like the Sorensen magnetic suppression wires, with real copper wire, that is wound around and around to eliminate static, but conduct full spark. Resistor plugs were aimed at the same end, increasing the gap voltage before the first spark jumps. There may be 300 individual sparks across the plug electrodes during the firing of the plug, and after the first electrons jump the gap. JimN

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Allan In NE

05-11-2006 07:00:26




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 Re: IHC H plug fires only with wire removed... in reply to Janicholson, 05-11-2006 06:00:05  
Hi,

Earlier on, I had tried setting the gap on the plugs to roughly .035" and that didn't help one darned bit with the points and the only way I could clean up that flutter was by working the tractor hard.

Put in the electronic ignition using the same old coil, but pushed the gap out to around .045" or so.

Whatever the reason, I am so darned impressed with this "fix". It really, really works! :>)

Allan

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RayBackpacker

05-11-2006 18:50:10




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 Re: IHC H plug fires only with wire removed... in reply to Allan In NE, 05-11-2006 07:00:26  
I have the same fouling problem with my old Farmall H. It has a magnito (no coil etc.). Does anyone know of an electronic ignition system that will add onto a mag?

Ray



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Janicholson

05-11-2006 09:57:22




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 Re: IHC H plug fires only with wire removed... in reply to Allan In NE, 05-11-2006 07:00:26  
Cool!
JimN



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