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140 Helper Spring

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Avery

05-25-2006 04:08:53




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Does anyone know whether the helper spring which were used with Super A- 140 I suppose were optional or not. Im only guessing they were avaiable for Super A they may not have been available till 130 came out. How much boost would the spring give to the lift from a poundage perspective. I completely reworked lift system on one of my 140's but the lift still struggled with the disk which is close to 500 pds. My other tractor which has spring handles disk fine. So I got a spring and going to put on. Im confident this will help but am wondering exactly how much boost it will provide. Does not need much as I can reach back from seat of tractor and pull up on disk with my hands and it will raise... Thanks

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Avery

05-25-2006 07:06:27




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 Re: 140 Helper Spring in reply to Avery, 05-25-2006 04:08:53  
No, I guess it does not if it works. I was just wondering. Hopefully, it will solve the problem, At least I think it will.



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Dellbertt

05-25-2006 05:29:48




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 Re: 140 Helper Spring in reply to Avery, 05-25-2006 04:08:53  
If you do a google on spring tensions you might come up with something. I think there is a formula for figuring the strength of a spring.



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Nat 2

05-25-2006 04:59:17




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 Re: 140 Helper Spring in reply to Avery, 05-25-2006 04:08:53  
My question is: Does it really matter if you know exactly how much boost the spring provides if it works? I don't think anybody ever took a scale and measured how much pull the spring has, at least not anybody that's looking at this board. Maybe the original designers did, but I've been on this board for two years now, and I've never run into anyone claiming to be anyone who had any sort of hand in designing these tractors back in the '40s and '50s. Anecdotal evidence doesn't mean much, but in such a small group, you'd think everybody would have at least encountered most everyone else.

If you really want to know, get yourself a spring scale and measure how much pull the spring has. You'll probably need a pretty hefty spring scale, a couple of trees, and a come-along to do the pulling, because I suspect the spring can provide more pull than you can with your hands.

Since the helper spring is presumably a fast hitch accessory, and the Super A didn't have fast hitch as a factory option, I would presume that the helper spring debuted with the 100.

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Hugh MacKay

05-25-2006 18:09:01




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 Re: 140 Helper Spring in reply to Nat 2, 05-25-2006 04:59:17  
Nat: The spring is indeed part of the fast, and not a tractor option. Most tractors that did not have a fast hitch from the factory also did not have the proper rockshaft for the spring to hook to.

I say Avery still has something wrong with his hydraulics. I have three of these tractors and at different times over the years, each of them have been operated without the spring. I really can't see any difference in how much the hitch will lift at a given time. I think the benefit of the spring is long term use and effect on the hydraulic system.

I have 60 CAD gallon sprayer, and with 600 lbs. of liquid and 200 lbs of sprayer, each of my tractors will pick that up if I give a lift on it. I can assure you the lift I give is no more than 50 lbs. That alone tells me he has not cured the hydraulic problem yet.

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