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856 Rear Wheel Removal

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Colorado Curt

05-31-2006 20:00:22




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The mechanic said to just loosen the wedge bolt and slide the wheel off. So I sprayed on some PB Blaster and jacked up the rear end, turned the wheel so the wedge was on the bottom with no weight on it, loosed the bolt about a turn and a half with the breaker bar and she locked up solid. Is this a left hand thread? What is the trick here?

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Hugh MacKay again

06-01-2006 03:20:43




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 Re: 856 Rear Wheel Removal in reply to Colorado Curt, 05-31-2006 20:00:22  
Curt: I might add, if you look through the archives here at YT there is much discussion about the poor design of that wheel, re it wouldn't stay tight. The guys that had problems are the ones that didn't read the manual regarding the 600 ft. lbs.

On that U shaped devive, if you don't find it on the other rear wheel, you must have bought a tractor that someone used the drive shed wall for storage. One of those sold here on YT auction about 3 months ago for $5. The seller didn't even know what it was. I would think scrap yards should have a decent supply. That failing, search the drive sheds of guys that bought these tractors new.

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IaGary

06-01-2006 03:55:19




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 Re: 856 Rear Wheel Removal in reply to Hugh MacKay again, 06-01-2006 03:20:43  
Curt

If you have trouble locating the U shape clamp I think I have an extra.

I bought it at an auction for some reason years ago.

Someone must have changed those hubs because I don't think that style came out till the 66 series.

Gary



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Colorado Curt

06-01-2006 07:26:52




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 Re: 856 Rear Wheel Removal in reply to IaGary, 06-01-2006 03:55:19  
I have a set of the u-shaped tools. They did not come with the tractor. I have been buying them at farm auctions and selling them on ebay. My stupid question is how to use the u-shaped tool? What does the tool push on? The end of the wedge bolt on the inside? The reason I am removing the wheel is to take off some huge weights mounted on the inside. I don't know if I can get the clamp in there.

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Hugh MacKay

06-01-2006 17:03:36




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 Re: 856 Rear Wheel Removal in reply to Colorado Curt, 06-01-2006 07:26:52  
Curt: Those U shaped devices are placed one on each side of wheel, in such a way the bolts go through the wheel, one on each side of the wedge. You'll notice the U are flat on one side and recessed about 1/4 on the other. If your wedges are well recessed in the wheel, place the flat side to the wheel. From your photo that looks to be the case. The recessed side is in case the wedges are flush with or protruding a bit passed flat side of wheel.

When you loosen the wedge bolt it will force one wedge out, and loose. What you are trying to achive here is place the U shaped device so the loose wedge cant come out beyond flush with side of wheel. That in turn will force the other wedge to loosen.

It was a great system, just too many folks didn't understand it and didn't bother to ask or consult the manual.

What you might try with those wheel weights is remove two of the bolts, put long pieces of round bar in place of bolts, then remove the other two bolts, replace them with round bar, then slide the wheel weights in, and away from the wheel. I can see you'll likely have to remove rim from wheel to make working room.

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Colorado Curt

06-02-2006 07:05:41




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 Re: 856 Rear Wheel Removal in reply to Hugh MacKay, 06-01-2006 17:03:36  
Thanks Hugh. That makes sense. I just couldn't see how the tool was going push the wedges the way they wee recessed like that.



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Hugh MacKay

06-02-2006 15:54:02




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 Re: 856 Rear Wheel Removal in reply to Colorado Curt, 06-02-2006 07:05:41  
Curt: I'm glad it made sence, It made sence to me but then I've changed those type wheels about a dozen times. I wasn't sure I had it written well enough for someone that hadn't done it. Let me know how you make out. If you have anymore questions, send me an e mail. But then you'll get roped into telling me all about Colorado. Ask anyone who's ever sent me an e mail, I'm a North American geography nut.

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Hugh MacKay

06-01-2006 05:41:55




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 Re: 856 Rear Wheel Removal in reply to IaGary, 06-01-2006 03:55:19  
Gary: A surprising number of 856, 1256 and 1456 came from the factory with wedge lock wheels. In this area I'd say 65% of 856 and 100% of 1456 have wedge locks. Not sure on 1256, I only know of one and it has wedge lock. Wedge locks are just another one of those changes that didn't happen right at model change.

I think this may be a geographic thing, dealer here tells me they had a lot of problems using snap on duals on early 56 and 06 tractors. Thinking about that one, it doesn't surprise me. Personally I spent the extra money for axle duals, even with wedge locks. The 1066 manual told one not to use 3 lowest gears for maximum pull with duals, that did tell me someting.

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Hugh MacKay

06-01-2006 02:18:35




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 Re: 856 Rear Wheel Removal in reply to Colorado Curt, 05-31-2006 20:00:22  
Curt: If it was installed properly in the beginning the wedge bolt was tightened to 600 ft lbs. Those tractors came equiped with a 6ft long handle wheel wrench.

The loosening of that wedge bolt will only loosen one wedge. Your tractor should be equiped with a device that bolts through the wheel to force the other wedge to come loose. This device is two U shaped pieces of steel with two long bolts. When new this was usually clamped on one wheel. It could readily be changed to the other. Too many folks hung those up in the shop. Personally I always left mine clamped on the wheel.

I understand you can also loosen the wedge bolt, in the position you have it, hit the top end of axle with a big hammer and the wedges will pop loose. I personally don't recommend this. An IH technician once told me if the wedges are tightened to 600 ft lbs it wont work. He also noted the guys using the hammer are the same guys that are now replacing axle bearings.

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