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Best way to free up a stuck engine

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Walt In Ky

06-08-2006 14:41:24




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I bought a Super C worth the money. The motor is stuck due to water in the cylinders, maily #3 due to the exhaust valve open. Rest of the cylinders look pretty good. i got all the valves freed up and working. I let the cylinders soak in PB blaster overnight, nest day could still not break it loose from rocking it in a high gear. The cylinders are now soaking in mineral spirits and havent tried it again yet. What is the best concoction and meathod for freeing up the pistons? From the condition of the motor that I can see it is stuck from weather and water only. Thanks fellas

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markloff

06-08-2006 21:58:01




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 Re: Best way to free up a stuck engine in reply to Walt In Ky, 06-08-2006 14:41:24  
Hello,

Do it right!!! Why waste you time with different blends of snake oil and the like. Pull the head and do it right. You want to look into the bores and valves anyway. This nonsense of rocking in road gear and 40, no dummy, 45 percent tranny fluid is all just different ways to wreck parts.
Suppose that there is debris keeping the piston from reaching top dead center? The amount of force you put on the components is incredible if the piston is just 5-10 degrees from reaching top dead center and your reefing of the crank with a bar.

Too many people take this ordeal as a personel vendetta to free an engine. I'll take the road less traveled. It has less bumps and ruts. You can pull the head, inspect everything and if the bores and pistons are good ,usually not, do a valve job and mill the head, slap the head back on with new gaskets and spend less than a few hundred bucks

The reason most engines are locked is because they were put out to pasture for a reason, needing to be rebuilt. Why wreck the parts that may still be good? Usually the most expensive ones at that.

Why the heck would turning the engine the opposite of normal rotation help any? If you knew which piston was stuck you want to free it on the downstoke. This could be clockwise or counter clockwise.

My not so humble opinion.

Mark

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nightstalker

06-08-2006 20:02:07




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 Re: Best way to free up a stuck engine in reply to Walt In Ky, 06-08-2006 14:41:24  
I have used PB Blaster mixed with tranny fluid a couple of times with good results.

Just don't be too much of a hurry, let the stuff work for a week or two then try rocking the rear wheel while the tractor is in 5th gear every time you go past it.

Do not try to pull it with another tractor or truck to free it. That is a good way to bend the rods or damage other things.



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Oooohooooooo!

06-08-2006 19:25:19




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 Re: Best way to free up a stuck engine in reply to Walt In Ky, 06-08-2006 14:41:24  
So it's "worth the money" eh? Doesn't sound like it.



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Walt In Ky

06-09-2006 05:50:29




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 Re: Best way to free up a stuck engine in reply to Oooohooooooo!, 06-08-2006 19:25:19  
350 bucks with a good set of lights, good rubber, good tin, and a good culivator. Tractor is complete, What do you think. Thanks again fellas.



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Walt In Ky

06-08-2006 18:58:07




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 Re: Best way to free up a stuck engine in reply to Walt In Ky, 06-08-2006 14:41:24  
Thanks fellas for all the replies, Ill suck the mineral spirits out tommorow and try the tranny fluid thing first. I had a 460 that was locked. after a got the water out(actually is was mostly ice due to being in the middle of Febuary) i shot some PB blaster in the cylinders, let soak a couple of days and then put it in high gear and rocked it back and forth for a while. Thanks for all the replys. If worst comet to worst Ill just tear it down and rebuild it.

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newpuller

06-09-2006 08:59:40




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 Re: Best way to free up a stuck engine in reply to Walt In Ky, 06-08-2006 18:58:07  
Thats what I had to do. It turns it out that one of my cylinders were cracked. Not the sleeve but the actual cylinder. I always like to know what I have rather than worry about it breaking down later.



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Ron in Nebr

06-08-2006 18:24:30




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 Re: Best way to free up a stuck engine in reply to Walt In Ky, 06-08-2006 14:41:24  
My 650D was stuck when I got it. A local tractor mechanic told me to fill the cylinders with(name whatever concotion you like), and then after it soaks in for however long, take the starter off or use a pipe wrench on the front of the crank and try turning the engine in the opposite direction of normal rotation(counterclockwise looking from the front). Did that with PB blaster in the cylinders and it was free and running a day later. Might not have been stuck real bad- your results may vary!!!

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old

06-08-2006 16:40:44




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 Re: Best way to free up a stuck engine in reply to Walt In Ky, 06-08-2006 14:41:24  
This is how I do it and have had good luck doing os. I've only had one engine it didn't work on in the past 4 years and I have done about 10 with stuck engines in that time. First off blow out all the cylinders so that theres no water etc. in them. Then fill them with tranny fluid and walk away for a week. Then with the plugs back out, be sure to alway put them back in, after filling the cylinders. Then take a battery and hook it up, the starter will have more torque then you have no matter where you try to turn it over from. Just do fasy short taps of the starter do no hold it all or you will burn up the starter. If it doesn't brake free then, top the tranny fluid off with turpentine, not paint thinner of minrail spirts. Wait another week and try again. If it hasn't popped loose it may never or it may take more time soaking. I've had them pop loose just after a day and on others it took a month or more

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Rick/Oasis ID

06-08-2006 16:19:44




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 Re: Best way to free up a stuck engine in reply to Walt In Ky, 06-08-2006 14:41:24  
Most the success stories i"ve read use trannie fluid or trannie fluid mixed with wd40 and then let it set at least a week. BE PATIENCE



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badboy1950

06-08-2006 15:19:35




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 Re: Best way to free up a stuck engine in reply to Walt In Ky, 06-08-2006 14:41:24  
try marvel mystery oil and patience.
dan



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Brian Schmidt

06-08-2006 14:56:18




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 Re: Best way to free up a stuck engine in reply to Walt In Ky, 06-08-2006 14:41:24  
If it is really stuck, you are going to have to pull the head anyway. The rings are probably bad enough anyway, that you will need to at least rering it. Pull the head and put about an inch of diesel in each bore and burn it. Then when it burns out place the xmsn in neutral and tap on the top of each piston with a wooden block as close to the bore size as possible. It will come loose eventually. Pull the pistons and hone the cylinders and check for pitting.

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RustyFarmall

06-08-2006 14:49:04




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 Re: Best way to free up a stuck engine in reply to Walt In Ky, 06-08-2006 14:41:24  
Well, the PB blaster didn't work, it's never worked for me either. Next you tried mineral spirits, and that didn't work, but it never worked for me either. I can tell you that a stuck piston is not going to free up overnight, no matter what kind of snake oil you put on it. Give it a week, or a month, and try it every day. Most likely you will end up breaking the piston to get it out.



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RobertN

06-08-2006 16:41:42




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 Re: Best way to free up a stuck engine in reply to RustyFarmall, 06-08-2006 14:49:04  
I remember reading one of the Roger Welsch books. He talked about pulling the head, soaking with diesel. Each night, take a block of wood and a big hammer and give it a couple whacks.

It just takes time for the solvent to work. Or a new piston and sleeve...



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R Pope

06-08-2006 18:22:19




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 Re: Best way to free up a stuck engine in reply to RobertN, 06-08-2006 16:41:42  
Screw a fitting in the plug hole and hook up a pressure washer to it. If the valves hold at all, the high pressure water will bust it loose. I have used a hydraulic hose from another tractor, but its too messy. Water is easier to clean up. It WILL turn over, but there better be only one stuck piston, or something could bend.



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