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British built IH 434

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td5doug

07-15-2006 20:09:27




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I'm looking at an IH 434 diesel, serial # B10124. It has the BD-154 engine.
Can anyone narrow down the year of manufacture on this tractor. I've found that the 434 replaced the B414 in 1966 & appears to have been produced to about 1971 when it was replaced by the B444, but I can't find any serial numbers for these British built machines.

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Wendell Palmer

07-21-2006 15:24:43




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 Looking for B250 diesel engine in reply to td5doug, 07-15-2006 20:09:27  
entire engine or short block is fine
also would take tractor for parts
thanks for any info.
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George 2

07-16-2006 07:20:09




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 Re: British built IH 434 in reply to td5doug, 07-15-2006 20:09:27  
TD5 Doug: Your 434 diesel is a 1967 model (S/N 8598 - 16434). It is exactly the same tractor (except for hood and cowling)as the 364 and 384 which were sold in the US. It even looks like the 384. Jon, if you have a lazy parts man at your dealership he will shoot the bull that was given to you. I know, as it often gets shot to me at one of my local dealers. I go to the adjacent dealer to get some of the less well known parts for my 5488 (like chassis decals). There were tons of 434's sold in my area new and they are still common. In fact, I suspect they outsold MF135 and Ford 3000 in lots of areas. They certainly did in my area. A lot of used ones have been shipped out of Canada into the US eastern states and midwest and Washington state. As for the brakes they had good brakes. The tractors that had poor brakes were the B250, B275, and early B414's. B414's manufactured after early 1964 and all 434, 276, 354, 364, 384, 444 all had good brakes. I still have the B414 gas with power steering and and 1501 loader that my parents bought new. It is a good little tractor still.

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td5doug

07-16-2006 09:55:15




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 Re: British built IH 434 in reply to George 2, 07-16-2006 07:20:09  
Thanks to all for the replys,
George 2, thank you for the production #'s, holy smokes they must have really pumped out a lot of these tractors, I wonder how many in total were actually built.
Was the 434 only exported into the Canadian Market??
The tractor I'm looking at has been sitting at my Dads place for the last 3 years. Belongs to a friend of his who stored it there. I thought it might make a good second tractor to put the rake behind during haying time.
The Case/IH guys around here are pretty good with the British built tractors as quite a few came into this area.

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Hugh MacKay

07-16-2006 12:14:52




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 Re: British built IH 434 in reply to td5doug, 07-16-2006 09:55:15  
doug: I wouldn't say none went to the US, but very few did. In my opinion it was pricing and numbers. IH decided it could serve the Canadian market with British tractors in that 30 to 40 hp range.

I remember when my dad bought a Farmall 130 in 1958, a B-275 was actually about the same price. The American built 230, 330, 240, 340 and 404 gassers were from 10% to 25% higher price than the British 35 hp diesel of the day. Farmers loved these little diesels for mowing, drilling, baling, etc. as they were more fuel efficient. We have always paid more for fuel than the Americans, due to our fuel tax system. To the small farmer wanting to cut costs these little diesels were the cat's meow.

There was one minor problem, the first B-250 and B-275 diesels were not climatized well for starting in Canadian winters, thus they started coming in gas versions. Don't let anyone put them down, they are just a great little tractor, without all the modern day power everything to go wrong.

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td5doug

07-16-2006 17:38:23




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 Re: British built IH 434 in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-16-2006 12:14:52  
Hugh,thanks for the comments, Arn't our fuel prices just wonderfull here in Canada. LOL
I have the BD-144 in my TD-5 & I agree on these engines being cold blooded to start,If the sun goes behind a cloud you need the glow plugs. I like the engine though, good power & economy.



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Hugh MacKay

07-15-2006 20:54:28




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 Re: British built IH 434 in reply to td5doug, 07-15-2006 20:09:27  
doug: None of the British built IH tractors show up on most American charts, including the one here at YT. There is a guy name Milton Fox, used to be on YT quite regularly has all the stats on these British tractors.

There are currently quite a few folks on here from Britain, one of them probably have the information. If you don't get the info, resubmit your question and direct it to Milton. He has been very helpful in the past. I suspect he still monitors this site.

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Jonfarmer

07-15-2006 20:47:13




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 Re: British built IH 434 in reply to td5doug, 07-15-2006 20:09:27  
You might want to stay away from that one, parts for those might be getting hard to find. Dad had one for a few years. The mechanical brakes were very poor, and were always going out, no matter how much work we put in them. Local dealer didn't want to touch it when we had troubles with the 3pt hitch. Traded it off on a 484, now those are a much better tractor!, hydrolic brakes and pto, really nice.

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Hugh MacKay

07-16-2006 05:32:47




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 Re: British built IH 434 in reply to Jonfarmer, 07-15-2006 20:47:13  
Jon: I will not try to take away from the 484, a great tractor and every bit as good as you say.

Where I do disagree is on the 434. Depending on where you live the parts supply can be great or poor. The brakes are basically same as Farmall mechanical disc brakes and if you know how to service them, they will give good service. The British built B-250, B-275, 414, 434 and 444 were all the same chassis and power train, and is probably one of the few tractors built continuously since the 1950s basically unchanged. It is still being built new by Mahindra of India.

If you have Mahindra dealers in your area you can buy new just about any component for these tractors. If you live in Great Britain or Canada these tractors were sold new on mass by IH, and CaseIH dealers in both areas are very familiar with them and are very happy to service them. Here in Canada, I'll bet a CaseIH dealer will be more familiar with one of those British tractors than a 240, 340, 330 or 404. Back in the 1950s and 60s we could buy a British built diesel same hp, for about 20% less money, than an American built gasser.

Those British built and Mahindra tractors are some of the very few tractors that incorperate, much of the same simple technology used on Farmalls of the 1950s and are probably one of the best buys out there for the guy doing yard work, basically less than 100 hours per year. Like the Super A, they will not break the bank account at the parts counter.

Now if your looking at commercial production, parking your backside in the seat 8, 10, 12 or 16 hours per day, 50 days per year by all means go with 06, 26, 56, 66, 86, 74 or 84 series, they will reward benefits. Don't ever forget the users use of the proposed tractor.

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Jonfarmer

07-16-2006 07:46:46




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 Re: British built IH 434 in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-16-2006 05:32:47  
In our case, we had a british built 434 that was built for Canada, and ended up here in the USA. We thought it would be best to get rid of it while it still ran good after the 3pt stopped working, the dealer didn't want to touch it, the brakes didn't work very good for us and never did, had to put your body weight into braking to get much stopping power. The 484 is way better, but your right, it depends on how much your going to use it, a 484 will run more money, but they're worth the extra money from my experience. I prefer the hydrolic assist brakes the 484 has, so easy to work, takes very little effort to lock up the wheels. The 484 is also a real fuel sipper and really something to have if your going to do alot with it, can run all day on 5 gallons of fuel, so it will keep you smiling when fuel gets up to $4 a gallon as predicted, and it's better on fuel than the 434. Another thing that 434 was good for was getting stuck inbetween gears, the shift rails would fall out of place and it would get locked right up, then you'd have to take the top of the transmission off to fix it. The 484 does not have that problem. I don't have any mahindra dealers in my area, but I wouldn't go back to a 434 anyways. Your right, for the fellow doing alittle yard work with it, it would be fine.

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DennyF

07-15-2006 21:30:52




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 Re: British built IH 434 in reply to Jonfarmer, 07-15-2006 20:47:13  
Last fall I looked at an IH 284(?) that a feller had for sale here. It had a 4 cyl. Mazda gas engine, high/lo range tranny, differential lock, three point and standard 540 pto. Was in fairly good condition.

The guy wanted $4200 for it, with a small 3 point bush hog included (four footer I think). Someone else bought it for $4000 before the seller got back to me about it.

Mentioned it to the parts boys at the local Case-IH dealer when I was buying some parts for another tractor and one of 'em said be glad you didn't buy it, parts are hard to find and very pricey. Never did figure out where that model was made, assumed overseas since it had a Nip engine.

Anyone know where the 284 was made?

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Jonfarmer

07-15-2006 22:28:04




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 Re: British built IH 434 in reply to DennyF, 07-15-2006 21:30:52  
484 is an entirely different tractor from the little 284, I don't know as it even shares the same transmission with a 484, probably not since a 284 is pretty darn small. I got an American 484, parts are readily availible, it has a 3 cylinder D-179 International diesel, which was used in quite a few tractors and skidsteers. Parts are definatly not a problem, I have even had it serviced by the dealer, last year it went in for a clutch overhaul and while they were at it, they also replaced the rear main seal on the engine since that was leaking alittle, the pto input shaft was worn, so that got replaced, and the cast iron adapter plate inbetween the transmission and the engine had gotten broken, and even those are still availible for $1,000, but I went with a used one for half price since this is something that hardly ever gets broken, and it doesn't wear out. I have not come across a single part yet that wasn't still availible, I have replaced the wheel bearings, and those are something the local dealer keeps right in stock (my tractor has the swepped back axle, there are 3 different ones used on the 484 according to my dealer). The fuel filters are simple spin ons avalible from you local Case IH dealer or any auto parts place. Oh, and I had to replace the light switch for the fender lights, could even get that switch with the funky pointy handle on it yet. And I replaced an entire tie rod. I got a whole new starter and I've gone though a couple starter solinoids. I destroyed a special stepped bolt for the adjustable front axle and didn't have any trouble replacing that, but those are kinda pricy, something like $13 for the 1 bolt, but once again, Case IH dealer had one right in stock. No, they are nothing to be afraid of, anymore than say a 1086.

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