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When restoring, what should be the goal?

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Mike CA

07-20-2006 16:51:30




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I was thinking about the end product that I will be restoring my tractor towards. As I research, I see that there are a number of tractor shows in my area. I'm assuming that tractors are judged at these shows.

What are the criteria these tractors are judged by? I have a number of "wow" things I planned on doing to the tractor that would really enhance the look. But it wouldn't look how it came from the factory. I'm sure it would be a crowd pleaser, but if judges laugh at it, then what is the point, really.

So, anyone have any experience at shows that can give me direction on what to aim for?

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alkay

07-21-2006 08:48:31




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 Re: When restoring, what should be the goal? in reply to Mike CA, 07-20-2006 16:51:30  
I agree with most of the comments. Do what pleases you and to hell with everyone else. I personally don't like seeing any equipment; car, truck, tractor, etc. that is not being used as they were intended. I have a 1944 Oliver 60 Standard. It is restored, still looks great and I use it to pull a trailer and a set of gang mowers. I have a 1955 Cub Lowboy with belly mower and a blade I use to mow and push a little snow. I have a 1959 John Deere 435 that pulls a finish mower. They don't do hard work any more, but they do work and I try to use each one of them every week. They are all in great shape, but they do have a few minor scratches, oil leaks, etc. For me worrying about getting a scratch and keeping a tractor in a "safe" environment and only trailering it to a show now and then takes away the fun of having an old tractor. The sounds, smells, feelings and pride of having something that is 20, 30, 40+ years old and still runs better than most peoples 5 year old cars. Just my two cents worth!

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Gary The Rookie Farmer

07-21-2006 06:29:11




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 Re: When restoring, what should be the goal? in reply to Mike CA, 07-20-2006 16:51:30  
To add some WOW! to your little beauty add pinstripping.



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Jim Allen

07-21-2006 05:40:08




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 Re: When restoring, what should be the goal? in reply to Mike CA, 07-20-2006 16:51:30  
Restore: "To bring back to its original state by repairing or rebuilding."

I agree with some of the comments below. Many tractors are over-restored and then judged by people who never fail to fall for the "autorama" restoration over one that's restored back to the factory standard. The factory standard for fit and finish wasn't all that high, so it's actually pretty easy to duplicate inexpensively, leaving you more money to repair mechanical stuff. The time is spent on research to find out exactly what the factory standard was. Some show judges don't even know what the factory standard was! I see this in every genre of motor vehicle collecting. The MOST ORIGINAL should get the MOST POINTS.

Beyond the shows, do what you like! Who are we to tell you anything about how to restore your old iron.

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Brownie 45

07-21-2006 04:18:19




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 Re: When restoring, what should be the goal? in reply to Mike CA, 07-20-2006 16:51:30  
Have a landlord who is into restoring JD's. Does a good job at it. Puts on high quality paint with hardener & all the trimmings. He gets these tractors all done & then covers them up with old curtains so they don't get dusty[ which they do anyway]. I asked him why he didn't get them out & run them in a parade or take them to a show, & he said they might get scratched or dirty. The funny thing about the A he's working on now is that he didn't even change the rear end 140 wt. Same stuff that came in it from the factory. Lots of guys [me included] see if they are able to get an old tractor running well enough to put it back on the line in a limited use situation.

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gene bender

07-21-2006 03:15:51




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 Re: When restoring, what should be the goal? in reply to Mike CA, 07-20-2006 16:51:30  
Your tractor Your money do as you want and pee on everyone else. When judging usually the most money will win. In my opinion judging a tractor is silly. They didnt have hi-dollar paint jobs when new so why do it now.



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Paul G. in Mn

07-20-2006 19:56:38




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 Re: When restoring, what should be the goal? in reply to Mike CA, 07-20-2006 16:51:30  
I forgot to add earlier that to me most of the fun is finding the one you want to work on. Then takeing it from there. I love finding the parts I need to me that is better then getting candy in a candy store as a kid. I love doing the work and getting them done and takeing them to a show. But when it comes down to it Id take working on them over then takeing them to a show any day I also love sitting back and just looking at the prodject I am working on after a day of working on it. It is very addicting

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Hermit

07-20-2006 19:39:14




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 Re: When restoring, what should be the goal? in reply to Mike CA, 07-20-2006 16:51:30  
Do whatever you think is fun and your wallet can effort.



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Tom Windsor

07-20-2006 19:19:18




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 Re: When restoring, what should be the goal? Havin in reply to Mike CA, 07-20-2006 16:51:30  
The goal should be to have fun.

and, a place to go hide from your wife...

TW



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K.B.-826

07-20-2006 19:09:20




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 Re: When restoring, what should be the goal? in reply to Mike CA, 07-20-2006 16:51:30  
I've never been to a tractor show where the tractors have been judged. Tractor shows are much more laid back than car shows and are really more about getting together and visiting with other tractor guys. Do what makes you happy. Myself, I like to keep our tractors as mechanically sound as possible. I don't get too carried away on the cosmetic stuff, as the tractor will get covered in cow sh-- and may get scratched or dinged. Takes half the fun out of it if you're afraid to scratch the paint. I'm not afraid to add modern day stuff to an older tractor to make it more functional or reliable, such as an alternator or three point hitch.

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Hugh MacKay

07-20-2006 19:07:44




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 Re: When restoring, what should be the goal? in reply to Mike CA, 07-20-2006 16:51:30  
Mike: There is little I can add to what the others have said. Just one item, get it in top mechanical condition first.



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John M

07-20-2006 18:04:28




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 Re: When restoring, what should be the goal? in reply to Mike CA, 07-20-2006 16:51:30  
Restore it the way you want it, dont worry about what any smarta$$ correct police say about and dont worry about it being judged. Youll have more fun that way!



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Paul Shuler

07-20-2006 17:51:40




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 Re: When restoring, what should be the goal? in reply to Mike CA, 07-20-2006 16:51:30  
I have been to some parades and fairs that judge but I never been to a show that does. My own taste has changed some over the years. I used to spend all my time looking at the shiney paint but the last year or so I find my self walking around to find the rusty stuff that runs but has farmer modifications. Can't tell you why but that's what floats my boat now. It' like the old song says," it's your thang, do what you wanna do".

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Ron in Nebr

07-20-2006 23:58:24




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 Re: When restoring, what should be the goal? in reply to Paul Shuler, 07-20-2006 17:51:40  
I agree with you 100% Paul. You can find dozens of "factory correct" tractors with perfect paint looking like they're fresh from the factory, and there's countless pictures of them available in books and on the net. What I personally find really INTERESTING is to look at a tractor that's still in it's work clothes with all the owner-applied "modifications and upgrades", no matter how crude, that have been done to it over the years. Wondering what that torch-cut bracket was inteded for or just what was going on when the owner added whatever is really interesting to me and gives a tractor a "personality" all it's own in my mind. I have an F-14 with an old narrowed car straight-axle "wide front end" under it, complete with "Buick" dust caps on the front hubs. The axle setup would no doubt go in the scrap pile if any collector bought the tractor to restore, but it's still neat to look at how they did it.

Kind like in the old-car hobby with the musclecars. For years they all made a big stink about cars having to be all original, right down to the "correct" hoseclamps and factory chalk marks on the firewall. These days though there's a swing towards what they call "restification", which is basically a car restored to the condition that it would be in AFTER the original owner put his own personal touches on it back in the day(mag wheels, aftermarket guages, headers, etc). All boils down to just what everyone else has said- it's YOUR tractor, do it how YOU like, and heck with anyone else.

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Paul G. in Mn

07-20-2006 17:13:35




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 Re: When restoring, what should be the goal? in reply to Mike CA, 07-20-2006 16:51:30  
Mike It is all what you want. If you are looking for one to take to the shows and use on a belt or to do a little plowing then go for that. If you are looking for one that is all painted up so nice that you worry about getting a scratch go for that. Id say most but not all go for somewere in between. My prefrence is originality and detail. I like to have all the parts right and complete. I also look for low serial number first year or High serial number last year. I am not one who clear coats his tractors either. I like a nice enamal paintjob with hardener. They come out with a nice shine but not overbourd.

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pgo12

07-20-2006 17:10:34




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 Re: When restoring, what should be the goal? in reply to Mike CA, 07-20-2006 16:51:30  
restoring is all in the way you want your tractor. how do you want it? brought back to original, working, something different,whatever. all the shows i have been to except one, dont judge. restored ones sit next to ones right out of the field in their work clothes. others out of storage from not running after many years. seen one with a tree that had grown through where the motor and frame are. owner just left it that way. some are quite unique. for me, thats the way i like it. its alot more fun and interesting. pg

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RustyFarmall

07-20-2006 17:07:29




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 Re: When restoring, what should be the goal? in reply to Mike CA, 07-20-2006 16:51:30  
I have attended several shows, and even exhibited at a couple. There is no formal judging, no prizes are awarded, if there were, I would not go. That is not what this hobby is all about. What it is about, is a bunch og guys, and gals, getting together, looking over the other tractors, and having a good time. You will learn a few things about your tractor, and maybe you can help someone else learn about his. Your goals in restoration should be to get the tractor as close as possible to how it was when it left the factory. If you want to add some bling, it's your tractor, don't let anybody tell you it shouldn't be that way.

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little john

07-20-2006 17:01:07




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 Re: When restoring, what should be the goal? in reply to Mike CA, 07-20-2006 16:51:30  
Mike, it's your tractor and I think that in the long run you should do what brings you satisfaction. Your pleasure is the goal and you will be preserving another old machine.



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