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47 H: How do you get the Steering Wheel off?

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AH64Dattack

08-08-2006 11:37:33

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I am having a devil of a time trying to get the steering wheel off my 47 H. I have wire brushed both side to bear metal, drowned it in P-oil every other day, smacked it more then a couple of times with a 2 and a half lbs sledge, broke both mine and my neighbor�s wheel pullers and not a budge. What am I missing? Oh, to answer the first reply, yes I remove the retaining nut :-)

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Rumplestiltskin

08-09-2006 00:13:57

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Re: 47 H: How do you get the Steering Wheel off? in reply to AH64Dattack, 08-08-2006 11:37:33

I've had good luck with candle wax and a propane torch. Heat the wheel hub and let it melt the candle at the hub/shaft joint. The wax seems to flow into the "crack" as it cools -- sort of like sweat soldering copper pipe. If you have the patience, let it sit overnight and reheat it before you try pulling the wheel.

I plan to use wax for reassembly, too. It should do well as both an anti-seize and dirt/water seal.

Mark W. in MI

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lee

08-08-2006 19:43:33

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Re: 47 H: How do you get the Steering Wheel off? in reply to AH64Dattack, 08-08-2006 11:37:33

frozen straight splines or plain tapers, or split combination splined tapers or tapered splines all of which are different and then the same in that they can be amoung man's worst nightmares.

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Gordo

08-08-2006 18:50:15

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Re: 47 H: How do you get the Steering Wheel off? in reply to AH64Dattack, 08-08-2006 11:37:33

I am going to assume thatyou are removing an old entirely useless wheel. My method takes two minutes. Put a hack saw blade in the sawsall and cut a slot in the hub, about 90 degress from the keyway. Doesn't even matter if you ding the threads a little. Saw down to the shaft, parallel to it. Put a chisel in the end and open it a little . Slide it off easy as pie. Toss it in the dumpster amd install new wheel. If you don't have a sawsall you can use an angle grinder with cutoff wheel, or the air hispeed cutoff tool. I've tried all three and prefer the Makita saw. It gets a lot of use around here. Just got done cutting 1/4 inch off the crank start housing so I can get the fan belt on and off. And it's the go to tool for cutting off the exhaust pipe, leave a 1/2 inch sticking up to bend/hammer to curl the slotted piece in. Then cut a slot down the pipe to get the inside piece out.

Gordo

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FARMALL 48

08-11-2006 03:03:13

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Re: 47 H: How do you get the Steering Wheel off? in reply to Gordo, 08-08-2006 18:50:15

how about the nut ? how do you get it off without damaging anything? thanks for the info

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Ah64dattach

08-12-2006 16:18:22

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Re: 47 H: How do you get the Steering Wheel off? in reply to FARMALL 48, 08-11-2006 03:03:13

I use a pipe clamp from the steering wheel to the transmission top plate to keep the wheel from turning and 24 inch breaker bar with a 1 and 1/16 inch socket. You need a breaker bar. The old 12 inch adjustable wrench won't budge it.

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Nebraska Cowman

08-08-2006 15:42:11

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Re: 47 H: How do you get the Steering Wheel off? in reply to AH64Dattack, 08-08-2006 11:37:33

yeah, you need heat. And maybe a bigger hammer. Contrary to what the other guys say, I've been takin' stuff apart all my life and seldom use a puller.

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Wayne Swenson

08-08-2006 14:24:38

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Re: 47 H: How do you get the Steering Wheel off? in reply to AH64Dattack, 08-08-2006 11:37:33

Heat the wheel hub red hot with an oxy-acetylene torch and then use an air hammer with a blunt punch; the wheel will just about jump off.

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AH64Dattack

08-08-2006 13:22:41

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Re: 47 H: How do you get the Steering Wheel off? in reply to AH64Dattack, 08-08-2006 11:37:33

I guess a bigger and better 3 jaw puller is in order. The two cast Harbor Freight ones broke without moving the wheel a hair. I�ll try the heat as well. Thanks.

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BillyinStoughton

08-08-2006 13:32:40

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Re: 47 H: How do you get the Steering Wheel off? in reply to AH64Dattack, 08-08-2006 13:22:41

You will find that you might want to spend the $40 and get an OTC brand (or other quality manufacturer) three jaw puller. I've broke some of the cheaper ones, but the one I currently have I probably have 10 years on and numerous successful pulling stories. With the higher quality pullers, you will find it gets to a point where you just can't turn the wrench anymore.

Also you will notice that most quality pullers will have the socket end champfered on the outside...this is so you can sharply strike the puller to drive an object loose.

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Randy S.E.-MN

08-08-2006 13:01:13

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Re: 47 H: How do you get the Steering Wheel off? in reply to AH64Dattack, 08-08-2006 11:37:33

A three jaw puller, as mentioned before, is about the only way you"ll get it off with the least amount of fuss. Any auto parts store should have an inexpensive one on hand...Randy

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BillyinStoughton

08-08-2006 12:38:29

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Re: 47 H: How do you get the Steering Wheel off? in reply to AH64Dattack, 08-08-2006 11:37:33

Old has got it right. As long as you have cleaned it up well, I would get some penetrating oil around the shaft and begin to heat the hub up. A three jaw puller has always worked the best for me in the past, and should do the same for you too.

Good luck!

Billy

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Mike CA

08-08-2006 13:01:00

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Re: 47 H: How do you get the Steering Wheel off? in reply to BillyinStoughton, 08-08-2006 12:38:29

Is a 3-jaw puller a tool that is used often during restoration?

Meaning: Should I buy one, or should I rent one?

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BillyinStoughton

08-08-2006 13:27:52

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Re: 47 H: How do you get the Steering Wheel off? in reply to Mike CA, 08-08-2006 13:01:00

I'd have to say "yes" to the three jaw puller. They are very handy when working on older equipment just for the fact that alot of what you plan to take apart, has been together for over 50 years. They are relatively inexpensive and can save you lots of skinned knuckles and hammering.

This is great Mike, as most of the guys / girls on this great site will tell you...with every new project...the toolbox will grow. And yours will too.

Good luck with the new find. Everyone will get ya through it.

Billy

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RustyFarmall

08-08-2006 13:19:52

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Re: 47 H: How do you get the Steering Wheel off? in reply to Mike CA, 08-08-2006 13:01:00

Mike, wait until you need it, you will know when that is. There are 3 jaw pullers, 2 jaw pullers, crankshaft pulley pullers, steering wheel pullers, big pullers, small pullers, etc. It would be very easy to buy something you can't use.

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Mike CA

08-08-2006 13:35:48

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Re: 47 H: How do you get the Steering Wheel off? in reply to RustyFarmall, 08-08-2006 13:19:52

Good advice. I try to think so far ahead of myself sometimes in preparation for the work.

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old

08-08-2006 11:49:17

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Re: 47 H: How do you get the Steering Wheel off? in reply to AH64Dattack, 08-08-2006 11:37:33

They can be bears to pull. Some times a lot of heat is needed and even then they don't like to come off.

Hobby farm

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PaulW_NJ

08-08-2006 20:25:08

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Re: 47 H: How do you get the Steering Wheel off? in reply to old, 08-08-2006 11:49:17

The steering wheel on my 340 was as difficult. I am not familiar with the H, but perhaps something from my experience may help you.
I used a steering wheel puller, which uses two long bolts that thread into threaded holes in the center ring of the wheel, and a large bolt that puts downward pressure onto the steering shaft. A harmonic dampener puller may also work. My first mistake was to tighten the puller, and then tap on the center puller bolt with a hammer. I later read in the service manual specifically NOT to do this. They were right - I ended up unseating the rupture disc in the steering housing and had to remove the entire unit to put a new disc in.

What did work, after considerable soaking with Kroil penetrating oil, was applying a 1/2 impact wrench to the steering wheel puller, after it was manually tightened. The impacts broke it free in a matter of seconds.

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