Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo Auction Link (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

Farmall & IHC Tractors Discussion Forum
:

Ideas on how to free a stuck 282 diesel.

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
dej(JED)

08-17-2006 10:25:18




Report to Moderator

I am looking for ideas on how to free a stuck 282 diesel in a 656 hydro. I pulled the pan and all looks well from that end. I hope it is not going to be the old log and sledge number. That head looks to be very heavy and I really don't want to pull it yet.Thanks----- --




[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
Loren P

08-17-2006 14:32:43




Report to Moderator
 Re: Ideas on how to free a stuck 282 diesel. in reply to dej(JED), 08-17-2006 10:25:18  
Take the head off, and remove all the pistons that aren't stuck by unbolting the rods and tapping them up with a wooden dowel and hammer.

Go to NAPA and buy some Iron Etch (made by Martin Seynor paint,) it's basically phosphoric acid used in bodywork for prepping metal before priming. Hone out the cylinder above the stuck piston and clean it out good. When your ready to break it loose, pour about a 1/2" of the Iron Etch on top of the piston and let it sit overnight. Next morning, clean the solution out of the cylinder with some paper towels to keep from making a mess, then drive the piston down with a block of wood and a big hammer. If the piston's rod is still connected to the crank, probably have someone help turn the crank while you pound it down. This has worked for me every time, it's fast and easy. I've never needed more than a few good raps with a blacksmith hammer on a block of oak to get the piston moving, after using the Iron Etch.

If the piston is near BDC, you may need to unbolt the rod and swing it away if possible. Otherwise, you may have to turn the block upside down, pull the crankshaft out, then turn it over and pound the piston down, which is what I had to do on my W9 engine. I've used the acid with aluminum pistons and haven't had any problems. It will etch the cylinder wall slightly, but it will hone out. If you're putting in new sleeves & pistons anyway, it won't matter.

You definitely want to get the piston out, even if it were to suddenly free up, as the rings will be rusted in place in the piston grooves(even in an aluminum piston.)

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
EL Toro

08-17-2006 13:04:47




Report to Moderator
 Re: Ideas on how to free a stuck 282 diesel. in reply to dej(JED), 08-17-2006 10:25:18  
I think you should pull the head too. I would use
tranny juice and let it soak. Then unbolt one of the rod caps and use a piece of oak and a big hammer to see if the piston will move. You need to be patient and don't be too aggressive with the hammer. You don't want to damage the block.
If everything fails your local auto machine shop can press them out. Hal



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
old

08-17-2006 11:40:34




Report to Moderator
 Re: Ideas on how to free a stuck 282 diesel. in reply to dej(JED), 08-17-2006 10:25:18  
First off DON'T put any PB in the cylinders its a waste of time and money. Now if it where a gas engine I would say fill the cylinders with tranny fluid but since its a diesel, fill them with turpentine, not paint thinner but turpentine. I had an Allis XT 190 that was loacked up and after I fill the cylinders with turpentine it was freed up in less then 3 days and was running well after I had the injection pump rebuilt. Next thing is why is it locked up?? If its from bad seals in the pump you will need to have the pump rebuilt.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Steven@AZ

08-17-2006 11:22:07




Report to Moderator
 Re: Ideas on how to free a stuck 282 diesel. in reply to dej(JED), 08-17-2006 10:25:18  
I would start by pulling the glow plugs - see what they look like. If they are rusted and corroded, then you have big problems. If they look good, pull the valve cover and use a rubber mallet (or a block of wood) and check if all the valves are loose by tapping on them. If you have stuck valves, probably end up pulling the head - might be able to soak them free and loosen them up.

If the valves are loose, and the glow plugs look good, I would spray some PB Blaster down the glow plug holes and wait about a week. Then try a bar in the starter hole prying on the ring gear. (Got a stuck W-9 loose this way)

Here ends my $0.02 worth of experience...

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
arod

08-17-2006 11:46:41




Report to Moderator
 Re: Ideas on how to free a stuck 282 diesel. in reply to Steven@AZ, 08-17-2006 11:22:07  

how can you not remove the head? I mean, you are going to be working against ALL CYLINDERS when you are prying and what not.

Say you do unbolt a connecting rod from main, and manage to move the piston an inch or two, all you did was wedge it a few inches in a different direction. Good luck pulling the crank and rod back together, ha ha.

I have freed up an H and an M before.

My advice. Unbolt all the connecting rods.
Remove the head.
Lay on your back and pound the pistons out the top of the engine. One cylinder at a time. If it's stuck, the rings are probably ruined enough to require replacement anyways.

Been there done that, just some heavy lifting and pounding. Oh yeah, and I soak the cylinders with liquid wrench for a few days before pounding them out.

This method never fails to free a stuck engine. :)

And yes, I even put a bottle jack under a stuck piston to push it up and out, and you know what? the entire M came off the ground!!!

mhmm. eventually used a sledge, and installed a sleeve kit.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Steven@AZ

08-17-2006 19:37:39




Report to Moderator
 Re: Ideas on how to free a stuck 282 diesel. in reply to arod, 08-17-2006 11:46:41  
Well, my W-9 freed up just fine and runs good. Like I said in my original post, sharing my $0.02 worth of experience.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Andy Martin

08-18-2006 09:02:28




Report to Moderator
 Re: Ideas on how to free a stuck 282 diesel. in reply to Steven@AZ, 08-17-2006 19:37:39  
The issue here is how bad is it stuck. People are expressing different oninions because they have had different experiences.

Everyone speaks from experience, but maybe not a lot of experience. I've had tractor get stuck from just sitting, no water in the cylinders, and it is pretty easy to free them up. I've freed them up pulling them around the pasture, or just putting ATF in the cylinders and I've had otheres that required pounding the pistons out.

History on why it is stuck guides you to where to start.

The suggestion to pull glow plugs or injectors first is reasonable.

If you get it freed up without pulling the head, whether it will start is the next issue on whether the head still needs to be pulled. If you pull the head and pull the pistons and everything looks fine except for a little gum on the cylinder walls you might wish you'd tried something else first.

I always assume the simplest problem possible is what is wrong. I am usually right. For instance, when I have a flat, I assume it is the valve core before breaking down the tire.

It may even be stuck from a cylinder full of diesel on the compression stroke.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy