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Did I read this right? 27 horsepower??

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Mike CA

08-22-2006 21:18:33




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Are you kidding me? Someone listed the horsepower of their H as 27hp! Did they forget a digit?? How is this possible when they pull so much? Torque, yeah, but don't you need horsepower to make the big torque?




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Mike in Ct

08-23-2006 16:36:03




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 Re: Did I read this right? 27 horsepower?? in reply to Mike CA, 08-22-2006 21:18:33  
I read somewhere that one horse can generate about 7 horsepower, I wonder how much I could get out of my back.



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Steven@AZ

08-23-2006 08:30:42




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 Re: Did I read this right? 27 horsepower?? in reply to Mike CA, 08-22-2006 21:18:33  
Low horsepower, but high torque. It was explained to me this way one time:

A 350 Chevy that is running good will put out 350 ft-lbs of torque and around 200 horsepower or more. A Farmall M (248 cubes) will put out around 35 horsepower and a little over 300 ft-lbs of torque.

Horsepower comes with higher RPM (the rate the work is done). Torque still gets the job done, and I know people will argue that you need horsepower as well, but look at an 18-wheeler with 400 horsepower pulling 80,000 pounds down the road... BIG torque numbers from that slow-running diesel. Put a 400 horsepower Corvette engine in the big rig and it probably won't even move - not enough low-end torque.

Rambling over, feel free to argue, but I'll stand by wanting a high-torque diesel to do the big time work.

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williamf

08-23-2006 10:48:33




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 Re: Did I read this right? 27 horsepower?? in reply to Steven@AZ, 08-23-2006 08:30:42  
Oh yeah, it'll go. You just have to replace the clutch for each start.
Wm



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the tractor vet

08-23-2006 08:55:56




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 Re: Did I read this right? 27 horsepower?? in reply to Steven@AZ, 08-23-2006 08:30:42  
Yep i agree 100% .The large car engines out there are running anyhwere from 1650 ft.at 1250-1450 RPM up over 2250ft.lbs and most of them will have a govener run out of around 1850 and the highest Hp. that ya can buy from is wright at 600 Hp. and all of them today are Inline 6's . There are some car engine powered tractors around here and unless you run them a gear lower and the engine running up over 2400 RPM it will not do what the stock engine will do at 2/3rds the RPM. and they do not have the bottom end performance .

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CNKS

08-23-2006 05:55:41




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 Re: Did I read this right? 27 horsepower?? in reply to Mike CA, 08-22-2006 21:18:33  
IH specification for drawbar HP for the gas engine in the H is 25.5, if yours is an original kerosene/distillate it will be a couple less. Missing a digit? A 250 HP tractor is a BIG machine.



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Andy Martin

08-23-2006 05:44:12




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 Re: Did I read this right? 27 horsepower?? in reply to Mike CA, 08-22-2006 21:18:33  
Try this on for size:

Can you figure out how to get 300 horses hooked up to get your Corvette to go from zero to 60 mph in five seconds?

Where does the manure go and not affect traction or the load?



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Leroy

08-23-2006 05:43:21




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 Re: Did I read this right? 27 horsepower?? in reply to Mike CA, 08-22-2006 21:18:33  
That 27HP is Nebraska test maximum PTO HP on the gas versions. The All fuel or kerosine version is less, not sure but Allan's figures sound like the kerosine version. Then there is used rated HP at times instead of the maximum and for PTO the rated is 80% of max and drawbar is 75% of max drawbar HP. The M is rated at 37 Max PTO HP While the late gas John Deere A is rated at 38 max PTO HP while the late John Deere gas is 28 max PTO HP

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magman

08-23-2006 05:40:19




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 Re: Did I read this right? 27 horsepower?? in reply to Mike CA, 08-22-2006 21:18:33  
Hey Mike How about this one, My numbers may not be true to the correct police but the farmall cub came out with I think 9 horse power and was made to replace the horse or what ever on up to 150 acre farms for vegtables and such. I just cant imagine a farmer doing 150 acres with a cub my self but alot of them do and did. JON



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Allan In NE

08-23-2006 02:44:44




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 Re: Did I read this right? 27 horsepower?? in reply to Mike CA, 08-22-2006 21:18:33  
Yep, I read that too and he's a little liberal with his power ratings. :>)

Original H had under 20 horse at the drawbar; about 17 if memory serves. However, if the step up pistons are installed, they then will have about 27 horse.

Allan



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Ron in Nebr

08-22-2006 22:23:36




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 Re: Did I read this right? 27 horsepower?? in reply to Mike CA, 08-22-2006 21:18:33  
Yep, to make more horsepower it takes more RPM's. The rpm's these tractors run at wide open in stock form is barely above fast idle speed for an automotive engine.

But the tractors are geared to where that's all the rpm's it takes to do what they were designed to do.

27 horsepower might not sound like alot now, but back when tractors first came out, they were intended to replace real live oat-burning horses, where 2, 3, and 4 horse teams were common. The "horsepower" rating of a tractor isn't truly equal to the number of acutal real horses it would replace, it's really more a "rule of thumb" measurement of the amount of work an engine can do over a set amount of time. If you hitched 27 big stout horses to the drawbar of an H to see which would outpull the other, they'd drag it around like it was a cardboard toy. Lots of guys around here used to feed 6 ton haystacks on rolling sleds pulled by 6-horse teams, but it usually took at bare minimum a 45-50hp tractor to pull the same load once people made the switch to tractor power.

Sorry for kinda going off on a tangent there, but I like to talk about that kinda stuff!

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Andy Martin

08-23-2006 05:41:41




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 Re: Did I read this right? 27 horsepower?? in reply to Ron in Nebr, 08-22-2006 22:23:36  
My dad, 83 now, thinks that 1 horsepower is the rate of work an average draft horse can be worked at ten hours per day, six days per week, and not lose weight. The "not lose weight" is the key. Although that is not the definition of horsepower, it is a real good "seat of the pants" analogy.

Back when horsepower was invented as a standard, the horses were being used to run pumps to drain mines. This is a steady load and apparently 550 ft-lb/min was about all the average horse could keep up FULL TIME. Any horse or man can put out much more energy over a short period of time than they can full time. Pulling a heavy sled included. If they are expected to pull the sled 30 miles every day (3 miles per hour) the size sled would go way down. Plowing requires some rest and the plow is out of the ground at the end of the furrow. So I would imagine a two-horse plow setup, if you are plowing 1,600 acres (ten quarters) would take several teams to keep up with a lowly H.

A horse on a treadmill or pulling a load in a circle can work pretty steady but they still need to rest periodically. A little one-horse engine, running at full load, never has to rest, so the total amount of work done is pretty impressive over long periods of time.

The "not lose weight" phrase from my dad indicates the horse is not over-exerting.

I have no doubt that if you keep an H at full load on a hammermill or elevator 26 horses could not keep up over a period of several months and maintain their body condition.

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Mike CA

08-22-2006 23:46:56




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 Re: Did I read this right? 27 horsepower?? in reply to Ron in Nebr, 08-22-2006 22:23:36  
and I like to read it. So don't apologize. :-)



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Nat 2

08-22-2006 21:56:38




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 Re: Did I read this right? 27 horsepower?? in reply to Mike CA, 08-22-2006 21:18:33  
Mike, you've got it backwards: You need massive torque (and lots of RPMs) to make massive horsepower :)

These low-RPM engines have massive torque, and the tractors don't move all that fast. That's how they can pull so much with only 27HP.



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the tractor vet

08-23-2006 07:58:32




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 Re: Did I read this right? 27 horsepower?? in reply to Nat 2, 08-22-2006 21:56:38  
Ah , he's just thinking what it takes for a small block Chebby to do any real work . Lots of RPM's and no power.



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