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706 282 rebuild revisit

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Aces

08-23-2006 10:29:54




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I read the post about 706 282 rebuild. I would have to disagree with the Tractor Vet that 706 had press fit sleeves. Never knew a 282 in a 706 to be press fit. The 282 did come with press fit sleeves later and you could tell just by looking at the sleve because the slip sleeves had a larger flange at top and counter bore in the block for the flange to set in much like the gas engine. The engines with press sleeves had a nerrow flange and counter bore. the slip fit sleeves would never the later engine with nerrow counter bore. As for setting the slip fit sleeves there was a special tool that came with the 460 560 tool kit the dealer had to buy to set the sleeves with. You installed the sleeve set the tool on top the sleeve put a bar cross the tool screwed it down to 2 head bolt holes then thunp tighten the tool down and check the clearence between the tool and the block. .002 to .004 clearence with all 6 sleeves with + or - .001 between of each other. Once the shims were set a coat of aluminum on the out side sleeves to make them fit tight,that is what IH said to do, works good. Saw more then sleeve down in the pan never had a piston out the side, many times pull the head and pan piston put in new sleeve put piston and rings back in put head and pan on no problem. Some dealer never pull piston just push in sleeve, that did not sound good to me. If there are size sleeves now that sure would be the way to go.

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the tractor vet

08-23-2006 12:02:03




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 Re: 706 282 rebuild revisit in reply to Aces, 08-23-2006 10:29:54  
Just went out to the truck and refreshed my sometime for get full old mind and reread the section on the 282 earlie and late production sleeve fit and according to THE BOOK they all were PRESS FIT the earlie ones were of what they called a LIGHT press fir that required 75-250 lbs of force on the gauge of the dual piston sleeve puller installer and the later ones required 750 lbs to 2500 lbs of pressure on the GAUGE . THe reason for this change was that OH wiat the light press fits were getting sucked down around the crank. and also the blocks may be stamped S1 ,S2, and S3 as it seams that they has oversized sleeves that ranged from .002 to .010 over bore . to tighten up them engines . as i has been some 12 years according to my old paper work that i rebuilt one of them and my mind is not a 2.5 giggabite computer and i have to at time go to the books for the facts.

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the tractor vet

08-23-2006 11:16:12




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 Re: 706 282 rebuild revisit in reply to Aces, 08-23-2006 10:29:54  
Better check a bit more on that one and yes there was a tool for checking linner hight but it can be done with and outside and a inside MIC and gives the same or better results and the main reason for the Press fit is so that it does not end up in the pan . Lots of so called mechanic's never brother with checking the block bore or even looking at the bore class in the top of the block and the end results are oh guess what my sleeve in in the oil pan . Now on oversize sleeves unless things have changed in the aftermarket suppliers and again it has been a few years back that they did not offer the C-D class sleeve and if ya needed them then you were stuck with going to I H for them . Now if i had to do just one hole to a C-D i would have it bored and resleeved to the A-B and restam the top of the block and yes there is a wide flange sleeve and a narrow flanged sleeve . Now with the age of these tractors and the for the most part unknowen history one never knowes just what they will find once ya open one up as it may have puked and engine way back and someone may have stuck a 706 later model 282 in a 560 or a early 560 282 in a 706 just because they are both 282's in my bok does not mean a thing as onver the years i have seen a 248 ina 450 and a 281 in a old beat up junked out M . 466's in 966 and a 414 in a 1586 . And if ya think that a wide flang sleeve that is slip fit is going to last well then go for it myself i won't as i hate doing a job over for free. Like one guy that asked me to rebuild his D361 in his 806 he did not like the quote that i gave him we after he scraped out 4 blocks and junked out three cranks and was on his fifth block he come to me to find out just why he can't get 50 hours out of one . And i know what is printed in the Seal Power book about this deal with the hand fit verses press fit but like i said go ahead and hand fit then and don't wine to me about my sleeve in in the pan and now i have to bore and sleeve the block or how do i fix this INSPECTION HOLE that is in there now.

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