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Patrick Martin

08-31-2006 09:13:46




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I'm sorry to have to keep bugging you guys! :(

I'd like to post a WTB and a question please.

For those of you who aren't familliar with my rather bothersome posts I am in the process of repairing a Farmall 100 and my poor little sick tractor is in need of some parts.

First the question.....
(Please see the pic attached)

As I was cleaning the governor housing last night and getting all of the goo out of it I noticed a fair bit of play in the little speed change lever that protrudes from it. I pulled the lever out and discovered that the shaft had a considerable (maybe 1/32-1/16") amount of wear on it and the hole in which it pivots has wear in it as well.

Can this be repaired? Should I bore the hole have the machine shop make a bushing for it and turn the shaft or should I just weld up the worn areas and dremel/file them back into spec?

Does anyone sell or have a new/reproduction speed change lever? How about a governor housing?

How important is this part and would this wear significantly affect performance?
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Now here's the WTB :)

Do any of you have a good rebuildable carb for my tractor? If it is in good enough condition for me to rebuild it I would appreciate it and will send you a prompt payment.

I also need a good-decent fan bracket/water outlet if it's inexpensive enough. I suppose I could repair my old one but it's pretty funky and I'd have to rebuild a section on it with weld and you know how welding on rusted cast iron can be.
(see pic attached) I'd prefer not to buy on ebay or paypal. I don't agree with ebay or paypal's policies and views regarding our 2nd amendment rights so I choose not to use them. (Search the internet or the site I work www.weaponeer.net for more info.)

Here are links to the pictures in case you can't view the posted pic. You will have to copy them to your address bar.
Included is a pic of my tractor in case you need to see what kind it is.
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gene bender

09-01-2006 03:02:11




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 Re: One more time please! I need 2 parts and help in reply to Patrick Martin, 08-31-2006 09:13:46  
Machine the hole to 5/8 then go to LOWES and get a 1/2x5/8 brass bushing press in in and trim so when the nut on the shaft is tight there is no bind and presto works good as new.



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JayWalt

08-31-2006 11:57:43




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 Re: One more time please! I need 2 parts and help in reply to Patrick Martin, 08-31-2006 09:13:46  
Seems I have a habit of hijacking threads, but this is related and I dont feel important enough for a separate thread. My throttle has very little actual throttle control. of the nearly 90 degrees of movement, only about 10 degrees actually adjust the throttle and it seems all or none. now i have just fixed a stuck float on the carb and cleaned the gunk out, and havent tried it yet. Would it be a good idea to pull the govenor plate off, and what can I expect? I dont want things falling into places I cant retrieve them, or new gaskets ending up costing me a fortune.

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Janicholson

09-01-2006 10:35:16




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 Re: One more time please! I need 2 parts and help in reply to JayWalt, 08-31-2006 11:57:43  
With the throttle rod off of the governor (shown in the above picture assembled) move the throttle lever at the steering wheel to maximum full throttle position. Then take the governor control arm and move it as far as it will go toward the full throttle direction. the hole in the gov. lever should now be just short of the location of the pin sticking out of the throttle rod attachment. Thus pulling the governor wide open when the lever is pulled all the way. If this is the case, the system is as good as it can be. They are quite sloppy and often have ineffective lever travel in the idle area. If it is not pulling the governor to its limit, shorten the rod adjustment till it reliably does so. If your unit has external linkage to the carburetor, leave that adjustment alone, or use written instructions to adjust it, that adjustment can overspeed the engine. The one described above cannot. JimN

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Patrick Martin

08-31-2006 10:40:49




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 Re: One more time please! I need 2 parts and help in reply to Patrick Martin, 08-31-2006 09:13:46  
What on the governor needs to be rebuilt?

The thrust pin is in good shape as are the counterweights and bearing. What could possibly come in the rebuild kit besides a new pin and bearing?



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Red Dave

08-31-2006 09:31:43




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 Re: One more time please! I need 2 parts and help in reply to Patrick Martin, 08-31-2006 09:13:46  
I've rebuilt those governors, including fixing the sloppy shaft like you have. I bought several sizes of stock bronze bushings from McMaster-Carr that were close to what I needed (they don't cost much), them drilled out the casting to fit the O.D. of the bushing I used. If you aren't sure that you can do it, any decent machinist could do it for you.

While you have the governor apart, it's a good time to overhaul they whole thing. A Case/IH dealer will have what you need, but you will have to piece it out, I don't think there is a kit.

Any tractor salvage yard might have a new water outlet.

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Patrick Martin

08-31-2006 10:42:08




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 Re: One more time please! I need 2 parts and help in reply to Red Dave, 08-31-2006 09:31:43  
What on the governor needs to be rebuilt?

The thrust pin is in good shape as are the counterweights and bearing. What could possibly come in the rebuild kit besides a new pin and bearing?



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Red Dave

08-31-2006 11:05:19




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 Re: One more time please! I need 2 parts and help in reply to Patrick Martin, 08-31-2006 10:42:08  
Inspect everything for wear and tear. Look at the pins that the flyweights are on and check them for sloppy fit. Make sure the balls on the thrust bearing are free, no wear or corosion. Check all the springs, replace any that show wear. That big main spring that pulls the throttle open has been known to break and let folks sit with no more than an idle. If it shows any wear at all, I'd put one in it. Check the rockshaft bushings and seals.

Everything in that governor needs to move freely, but without slop. Too much wear can make the governor act erratic.

My main message is that once you have it apart, it is very little trouble and not a lot of expense to go over it while you are in there anyway.

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Patrick Martin

08-31-2006 12:26:25




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 Re: One more time please! I need 2 parts and help in reply to Red Dave, 08-31-2006 11:05:19  
I gotcha Red Dave :)

I'm looking at it now and it's a pretty tight little unit. It actually looks to almost be new. The dude I bought this tractor from maintained it "fairly" well and put some new parts on it of which I assume this governor might be.

I don't know what I'll do about this shaft. I'm really tempted to weld it up and redrill it. I do have a 9"X42" horizontal milling machine and I might be able to clean up the hole but I don't have the attachments I need for doing this absolutley precisley. Sometimes a dremel and a good set of files just as easily get the job done.

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Janicholson

08-31-2006 12:54:59




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 Re: One more time please! I need 2 parts and help in reply to Patrick Martin, 08-31-2006 12:26:25  
The hole and pin are not critical in that location. It is the throttle lever that is attached to it. The slop in it will only cause the lever to be displaced by about 1/4". If the adjustment on the springs causes the arm with the hole to go to full throttle (max travel) the thing will be ok as is.
JimN



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Patrick Martin

09-01-2006 07:29:25




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 Re: One more time please! I need 2 parts and help in reply to Janicholson, 08-31-2006 12:54:59  
Now that I'm looking at it I see that you are quite correct! The slop really won't make that much of a difference as the spring lever will back up on the speed adjusting screw anyway.

Thanks!

Now does anyone have a used carburetor for sale?!?!?!?! :)



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