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W6 won't start

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chadd

09-15-2006 07:58:49




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About 2 months ago the generator went out on our W6 and it stopped charging. We just got the generator back this last week and figured we would put it on to try it. The tractor wouldn't start, so we resorted to pulling it with the M. In 5th gear it still wouldn't start, so we tried 4th and it finally fired and ran. For whatever reason it seems to backfire a bit and isn't as smooth as before it sat for 2 months. What is odd is that when you try to start it using normal means, it will not fire even once at any choke setting. Even if you try to start it after it was just shut off and was at operating temperature, it will not attempt to fire. The plugs all seem okay. There is fuel in the carburetor and it is making it to the cylinders as you can smell a small amount of it from the exhaust after attempting to start it. Any ideas? Thanks

Chad

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williamf

09-15-2006 16:14:41




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 Re: W6 won't start in reply to chadd, 09-15-2006 07:58:49  
And also, 2 months is somewhat over the shelf life for today's gasoline unless you add stabilizer. Or so I keep reading here and elsewhere. Enough that, just to be sure, I put a couple oz's in each 5 gal can before the gas.
(I know, everybody who thinks otherwise, but I'm just say'n. Cause I heard it. Here. So there.)
Wm



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John M

09-15-2006 14:28:51




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 Re: W6 won't start in reply to chadd, 09-15-2006 07:58:49  
Stuck advance?



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John T

09-15-2006 08:26:13




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 Re: W6 won't start in reply to chadd, 09-15-2006 07:58:49  
Chad, when you got that genny back, did you polarize it before you fired her up?? If it were opposite polarity from the battery it can harm the Voltage Regulator. I would have suggested you give the battery a good charge n polarize the genny before any starting attempts, if the battery was realllll ll low it would take some high RPM pull starting (like the 4th gear you mentioned) to get enough charge into her for good running and thats assuming the genny was correctly polarized to begin with and assuming its a coil ignition instead of a Magneto. If its a magneto that wouldnt be the case since it produces its own energy for firing i.e battery condition makes no difference and its not connected to any battery.

If a battery is weak starting can drag the voltage down to excess causing a weak spark (on a coil ignition), Id still give her a good charge (or try a known good substitute battery) and have the battery load tested if theres any doubt. Is there electrolye above all the plates and do any cells exhibit a gray or milky color???

For no more then they cost Id also try a fresh set of plugs and if the ignition hasnt been tuned up lately Id at least install a new set of points and/or at least clean/buff/polish the old ones unless they are badly burned or pitted in which case Id definitely get new ones and check their gap.

A weak starter and/or faulty cables or corroded or loose connections can also reduce voltage causing a weak spark (Ifffff its a coil ignition instead of a Magneto). If she cranks slowly Id remove, clean n wire brush, n reatatch each n every battery n starter n switch/solenoid n ground cable connection n see what happens.

Regardless if a Mag or coil ignition, you need a good visible blue spark and NOT any faint thin wimpy yellow spark for good starting, so check that n the points n plugs and/or try new ones PLUS give the battery a good slow charge and have it load tested if shes a slow cranker run the cables as posted above. If its a Magneto n she starts right up n runs fine if pull started but she has a weak starting spark, Id suspect the impulse spring is bad or weak but other then that I dont know beans about IHC Mags, only the Wico C n X used on Mother Deeres.

Let us know, best wishes n God Bless yall

John T in Indiana

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chadd

09-15-2006 09:33:16




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 Re: W6 won't start in reply to John T, 09-15-2006 08:26:13  
Already left the battery on the charger a day before I put it on, so it was fully charged for the starting attempt. The cables are 0/1 gauge and are 2 years old. The starter is also 2 years old. The ignition is battery, and not a mag. We also took out the plugs and checked their condition and cleaned the gaps out. Battery is strong enough to make the starter crank the engine for 2 15 second attempts with no noticable loss of speed. I would guess it would spin the starter about 3/4 the speed of a 12 volt. The points seem to be okay from visual inspection, no pits or burning.

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John T

09-15-2006 11:10:29




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 Re: W6 won't start in reply to chadd, 09-15-2006 09:33:16  
Chad, Sounds like you done took care of my "usual suspects" and its NOT a low voltage or poor starter or cable type problem so were kinda left with Ignition or Carburetion. If you remove a plug n have it wired with its side grounded n crank her over are you seeing a good visible blue spark????? ?? Of course it takes more energy to arc current across the gap under compression but the test I mentioined is a start at least.

Ive seen poor connections or bad ignition switches that drop voltage causing a weak spark, you might try to "hot wire" the coil with a wire direct from the battery to the coils input (NOT to distributor) terminal n see if the spark improves??? If so get a voltmeter n measure the voltage on the batery and then on the coil with ignition turned on and it shouold be close to full battery voltage if the switch n wires n connections are all good.

Id still rub a dollar bill or shop cloth between the points to non abrasively clean off any gray oxide coating. Another cause of a weak spark, EXPECIALLY when shes warned up, is a weak condensor TRY A NEW ONE. Faulty Coils can grow weak when warm also but thats hard to diagnose, got a substitute coil you may wanan try???

John T

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Dave Grindle

09-15-2006 08:07:05




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 Re: W6 won't start in reply to chadd, 09-15-2006 07:58:49  
try new points & condensor



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