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Recycling Hydraulic oil with water in it..(Tutoria

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JayWalt

09-19-2006 21:32:34




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Well guys, if you got water in your hydraulic oil (which I do since its a cream color), and you're too cheap (like me) to spend $60-$80 on new oil, then here's a tutorial to clean your oil. I know its best to use fresh oil, but I'm too cheap. The end result was more then satisfactory.

First drain the oil into 1 gallon milk jugs and let it set for an hour or more. The water will not separate. From what I've been told, there are additives to suspend the water so it doesnt separate and cause corrosion. However, there may be a "soap" that settles to the bottom. Not sure why this happens, but it does and doesnt seem to be very abnormal for oil in this condition.
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This was the end of a jug after syphoning. Now you need to syphon yours. Syphoning wont be easy since oil is alot more viscous then water or gas. Luckily I had this old oil changer pump (pretty much a joke for its real application) laying around and decided to use that. works great, a little slow but alot faster then syphoning. Leave as much oil in the bottom as there is "soap" to help prevent sucking any soap into the other container.
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Now here is where we boil the water out of the oil. The key here is to not burn the oil. I used a single element portable stove and did it in the garage which has decent ventilation. Don't do this inside, unless u like the smell of cooking hydraulic oil!! Turn the burner on about 1/3 of the way and wait for it to get hot. Then slowly increase the temp until you see bubbles. A thermometer comes in handy about now. I used a candy thermometer and kept the oil below 250 F. If you get it to hot it will burn the oil and make the whole process pointless. Boil the oil until it becomes clearer and the bubbles stop. This process takes a while, so its kinda nice to have other stuff to work on.
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Now is the best time to filter the oil, when its hot, so it's thinner and takes less time to filter. I used 2 coffee filters to filter out any sediments.
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Here is the final product. It is a little dark, but not bad. It seems to be the right vicosity. I'm sure its better then leaving it in the way it was. third party image
I did all of this with a fairly small boiling pan, so that is why the jug isnt very full. It would be alot easier with a largr pot, but I dont have anything else that I dont eat out of =)
Now I'm sure alot of you will say this is stupid, just buy new oil. But not only am I saving money, I'm saving having to dispose of the old oil. This is far from a restored tractor, if it was, It'd have all new fluids in it =) and a big hole in my wallet and tears in my eyes =)
Hope this helps someone, and if it doesnt, I still had fun doing it and posting this =)

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JayWalt

09-20-2006 22:08:13




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 Re: Recycling Hydraulic oil with water in it..(Tut in reply to JayWalt, 09-19-2006 21:32:34  
Thanks guys. This isnt engine oil, its hydraulic oil. I will check sam's club and TSC for larger quantities, which would be cheaper. I think I'd decided to use this oil to flush out the system before I put new in it.
I am putting new dump cylinders on the loader, so It would probably be best.
I dont wanna spend the money, I'm about sick of the tractor, R/C and the whole likes of it.
Oh well, I'm in one of my moods, it will pass =)

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blg

09-20-2006 21:45:35




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 Re: Recycling Hydraulic oil with water in it..(Tut in reply to JayWalt, 09-19-2006 21:32:34  
wow great idea .these guys that would make lite of you saving money are the ones that change there oil every two thousand miles in there vehicles which is ok if you have the money to throw away and probable pay a shop to do it.there is extremes both ways.i like your water method but your recyling of engine oil i believe need a little more refining. good luck made my day



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regalbe

09-20-2006 13:56:25




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 Re: Recycling Hydraulic oil with water in it..(Tut in reply to JayWalt, 09-19-2006 21:32:34  
HI Jay Good story, loved it. You know you may be so cheep that you will not eat all you need. Did you make yourself a new oil filter? I wouldn‘t waste money on a new one for that recycled oil .
Nice work bench too.



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TSC?

09-20-2006 13:26:03




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 Re: Recycling Hydraulic oil with water in it..(Tut in reply to JayWalt, 09-19-2006 21:32:34  
Jay, I am impressed by your effort! If your wally world doesn't have it maybe you're near a Tractor Supply? I've seen a "6 gallon" bucket there for about $35+ tax for all purpose hyd./trany fluid. It's marked on the bucket as a "special" price. Sam's club also carries it, I haven't checked the price lately. Post back if you have any problems. Thanks for sharing!



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Bill in NC

09-20-2006 07:46:51




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 Re: Recycling Hydraulic oil with water in it..(Tut in reply to JayWalt, 09-19-2006 21:32:34  
Great stuff, JayWalt! I design and sell grease traps which are essentially oil/water separators for restaurant plumbing systems. Your heating set-up is a good idea. What looks like oil still has some moisture in it and heating volatizes the water out of the oil mass. This is one of the reasons why cars that only get short operating runs (like one mile trips to work) are worse as used car buys than a salesman's car with more miles.

Here's an idea that may make your process easier. Take a plastic container, cut a hole in the bottom and install a PVC bulk-head fitting (get from plumbing supply store). Bush down from the bulk head fitting to a 1/2" nipple. Push on a short section of 1/2" clear tubing. Put a nipple on a PVC ball valve and attach to the other end of the clear tubing. You have just made what laboratory folks call a separatory funnel but in a much larger configuration. Build a little wood stand for the plastic container to give you enough room to get pans under the valve. You will see the layer change in the clear plastic section. This enables you to have a visible cut-off point for opening and closing the valve to draining out each layer. Best oil/water separator possible for stuff like this.

Again, your heating idea is right on my man for getting the oil totally water free.

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JayWalt

09-20-2006 08:11:34




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 Re: Recycling Hydraulic oil with water in it..(Tut in reply to Bill in NC, 09-20-2006 07:46:51  
I actually got the idea from a forum member. I'm sure I would have thought of it first, but he explained the heat process in the same post he told me water was making the oil a cream color. I appreciate your suggestion and if I had alot of oil to do (like multiple tens of gallons), I would consider it. This is a one time thing for about 4-5 gallons, so I wont go that crazy yet =).
I thought my oil pump was a bit excessive as well =)

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JayWalt

09-20-2006 06:05:49




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 Re: Recycling Hydraulic oil with water in it..(Tut in reply to JayWalt, 09-19-2006 21:32:34  
Thanks guys!!
I expected to get alot of slack from this post, but you guys are great, more supportive then I expected!!
Ideally I will eventually replace the hydraulic oil.
The oil I got for free seems alot thicker, more like a 30wt oil, and they pust alot of marvels mystery oil in it, so I'm not going to use it in the tractor. This is for industrial hydraulic presses and hence the thick weight. The mystery oil thickens it further.
I looked all over in the auto department at Walmart, and nothing, asked 3 dif employees at each store, nothing... I'm in northwest ohio.
As for the digital camera, it is an old sony maciva or whatever. It takes floppies and floppies only. My compuer is all second hand, except my 500gigs of hds. This computer is over 3 years old. Back then I was heay into them and justified the cost. Now my passion is R/C which takes some of my earnings. But as I'm getting older, saving for retirement is more of a priority then anything, so saving money anywhere I can helps.
My tractor drained out 4 gallons of oil, and probably another on the ground, and another half a gallon when I removed the hitch cylindr/hoses.
At $23 for 2 gal at TSC, that adds up to about 69+tax. I'm sure the real hytran from case is alot more..
You think the 3 in one oil is cool? On the second pic, directly behind the drill press (if you were looking at it headon), and to the right of one of the main 4X4's is a few jars of very old quill pen ink. When he's gone, alot of that stuff will go as well (ALOT more here then what you think, there's isles in the house, in the livingroom, poor dogs have little room to play, no wonder they lose going outside =P) Before the hydraulic pump whined with a load on it. I didnt like this and its what prompted me to check the fluid. If removing the water doesnt help, I might consider putting new in.
If all else fails (like the pump), I got a new danfoss hydraulic pump here i can fab up a bracket and a double pulley system and drive it off the crankshaft pulley. Lets hope it doesnt come to that. I'd like to test the system, I can deadhead the pump and test psi, but I dont have the equipment for flowrate. The loader goes up faster then I expected and the cylinders on it are probly 3" bore and 3 foot long, so I'm sure the flow is there.
This is for a 300u.
Recycling oil would not be profitable with my setup =P The end result still leaves alot to be desired. I've never seen the new real hytran, but I'm sure its alot cleaner looking then this.
Also do I have to pull the res cover to chnge the filter? if so is it a cartridge type I'd have to buy, or is it just a metal mesh I can clean and reuse =)
Thanks Guys

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Satsop

09-20-2006 11:09:27




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 Re: Recycling Hydraulic oil with water in it..(Tut in reply to JayWalt, 09-20-2006 06:05:49  
Jay this was avery interesting post. Boy no one would confuse your shop for alans in ne buuutt I had to look very close as I thougt it was mine. The filter is a wire screen. Good luck.
Jim



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WyoDave

09-20-2006 05:10:49




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 Re: Recycling Hydraulic oil with water in it..(Tut in reply to JayWalt, 09-19-2006 21:32:34  
Wow. Very interesting. I don't have the patience for that I suppose, but its nice to see what can be done if you wanted to. I've done things others think is foolish just to see if it could be done. Maybe you can perfect a way to filter old oil and make a killing on it.
David



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rb_chickaloonAK

09-20-2006 05:07:24




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 Re: Recycling Hydraulic oil with water in it..(Tut in reply to JayWalt, 09-19-2006 21:32:34  
Brother, you'd make out just fine in the Alaskan bush. Around here, reusing absolutely everything you can is a necessity.



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Vern-MI

09-20-2006 05:02:29




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 Re: Recycling Hydraulic oil with water in it..(Tut in reply to JayWalt, 09-19-2006 21:32:34  
Jay I looked in my crystal ball and I see a cream seperator in your future.



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Randy S.E.-MN

09-20-2006 05:01:36




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 Re: Recycling Hydraulic oil with water in it..(Tut in reply to JayWalt, 09-19-2006 21:32:34  
I can"t help but notice that you are not too cheap to buy an expensive digital camara, and probably a expensive computer to broadcast this to us...never say you"ve seen it all...Randy



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edf iowa

09-20-2006 05:12:51




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 Re: Recycling Hydraulic oil with water in it..(Tut in reply to Randy S.E.-MN, 09-20-2006 05:01:36  
Randy, Sometimes saving a few bucks here and there is what allows you to get that computer, ya know?



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Glenn FitzGerald

09-20-2006 09:32:26




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 Re: Recycling Hydraulic oil with water in it..(Tut in reply to edf iowa, 09-20-2006 05:12:51  
AMEN brother! I'll eat a peanut butter sandwich for lunch anyday; thus allowing me to buy a nice tool now and then. I'm very impressed with Randy's recycling process.

Glenn



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scotty

09-20-2006 04:37:53




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 Re: Recycling Hydraulic oil with water in it..(Tut in reply to JayWalt, 09-19-2006 21:32:34  
Mornin Jay, Well, my friends have named me treebark because Im so frugal, but guess what, I have named you "double treebark", wear the name well my friend, a name like that doesnt come easily :")


scotty



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Nebraska Cowman

09-20-2006 04:24:17




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 Re: Recycling Hydraulic oil with water in it..(Tut in reply to JayWalt, 09-19-2006 21:32:34  
I won't scoff, You did get the water out. I admire you for having the guts to post the results.



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SDE

09-20-2006 03:33:46




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 Re: Recycling Hydraulic oil with water in it..(Tut in reply to JayWalt, 09-19-2006 21:32:34  
Nice to know that I am not alone in the frugal dept.. For me it is about trying to see what I can accomplish on my own. Any fat wallet can buy what you need to fulfill a dream.



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John M

09-20-2006 03:31:30




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 Re: Recycling Hydraulic oil with water in it..(Tut in reply to JayWalt, 09-19-2006 21:32:34  
So, just what kind of tractor do you have that takes 60 - 80 bucks worth of hydraulic oil? Im just trying to fiqure out why you would do this?



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Michael Soldan

09-20-2006 05:13:55




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 Re: Recycling Hydraulic oil with water in it..(Tut in reply to John M, 09-20-2006 03:31:30  
John, be carefull with that question, I just serviced a tractor for a friend. We changed the hydraulic oil and trans filters...14 gallons of hytrans @$60 a five gallon pail so that's $168 for that part of the service..all filters, fuel filters,engine oil and Hytrans came to $262 plus my time...it doesn't take much to burn up money when replacing all filters and fluids..Mike in Exeter Ontario



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John M

09-20-2006 14:08:51




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 Re: Recycling Hydraulic oil with water in it..(Tut in reply to Michael Soldan, 09-20-2006 05:13:55  
I guess its a regional thing, and the fact I dont use Hytran.a 5 gallon bucket of hydraulic oil, at least the last one I purchased was less than 30 bucks.I only use "Hytran" in my 154 LoBoy and even that is something called "Tractor Fluid" made by GRC.I dont beleive that Hytran is any better than some of the non-oem fluids, in fact its probably bottled by the same company that makes another brand,as with most oils so why waste the money.

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Michael Soldan

09-20-2006 16:00:37




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 Re: Recycling Hydraulic oil with water in it..(Tut in reply to John M, 09-20-2006 14:08:51  
John ,I agree with you that the name "Hytrans" probably comands a price higher than what it is worth. I have purchased trans fliud for tractors for around the $30 mark as well. However, when you service a tractor for a customer you don't want to leave yourself open to criticism if any thing goes wrong, hence I use what the specs call for and can then defend myself if the owner feels that something is not functioning as it should." I used the correct fluids" will keep my reputation as a backyard mechanic. Yep they are probably filled at the same fefinery under different labels....Mike in Exeter Ontario

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GordoSD

09-20-2006 03:16:00




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 Re: Recycling Hydraulic oil with water in it..(Tut in reply to JayWalt, 09-19-2006 21:32:34  
And the best part is....this is going in the achives. I loved looking at the workbench. Kinda like that old poster game, "Find Roscoe".Only in this game can you find the 3 in one oil? Keep em coming Jay! Our own Andy Rooney

Gordo



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IaGary

09-20-2006 03:36:42




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 Re: Recycling Hydraulic oil with water in it..(Tut in reply to GordoSD, 09-20-2006 03:16:00  
The 3 in one oil was easy.

Wheres the metal Bandaide box?

This could turn into a new game.

LOL

Gary



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Jimmy King

09-20-2006 02:03:06




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 Re: Recycling Hydraulic oil with water in it..(Tut in reply to JayWalt, 09-19-2006 21:32:34  
Well Jay I just hope you don"t end up having to spend more money like a new Hydraulic pump because you are cheep.



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Bob

09-19-2006 21:48:45




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 Re: Recycling Hydraulic oil with water in it..(Tut in reply to JayWalt, 09-19-2006 21:32:34  
Jay,

You're KIDDING, right????



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JayWalt

09-19-2006 22:11:49




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 Re: Recycling Hydraulic oil with water in it..(Tut in reply to Bob, 09-19-2006 21:48:45  
Well not totally.
I wouldnt have went to this trouble if I was.
Ideally I would like to do everything I can to my tractor, but I dont have the money or the time (at the moment) to do it. One day I may win the lottery and have a big shop where I can tinker around on tractors, R/C and do whatever I want. But since I dont even PLAY the lottery and I have a few disorders that keep me from going anywhere career wise, I dont think I'll ever really have the funds to do things properly.

People say you can get oil at walmart, but I've been to 3 of them, and all they have is 1 cup bottles of jack fluid.

When I changed the oil in my car, I filter the used oil and run it in my s-10. It hasnt got a whole lotta life left in it, with its tapered cylinder and falling apart bed. I guess some people would call that stupid, but why put new oil in it just to burn it off.

I'm trying to do the best I can. Other people in my situation probably wouldnt even touch the oil, but I'm at least doing something about it.

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Nat 2

09-20-2006 05:33:08




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 Re: Recycling Hydraulic oil with water in it..(Tut in reply to JayWalt, 09-19-2006 22:11:49  
Where are you looking in WalMart for the oil? I've been to a dozen WalMarts in my area and they ALL have two different kinds of hydraulic oil, in gallon jugs, on the shelf as well as 2-gallon jugs of gear oil. They're in the automotive department, with all the gallon jugs of motor oil. It's usually in a different aisle, or across the aisle from the quarts.



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Andy Martin

09-20-2006 05:19:48




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 Re: Recycling Hydraulic oil with water in it..(Tut in reply to JayWalt, 09-19-2006 22:11:49  
I'm impressed.

You are very correct that what you have done is better than to continue to run the milk in the system. And since it has run the emulsion (water/oil) a little damage may have been done but if the hydraulic system works, great!

You might look for hydraulic oil at farm stores or feed mills to get a better price.

What kind of tractor are you using this in?

For your S-10, you might consider using litmus paper to test the ph of the used oil. You can adjust the ph and help the S-10 along. You also might consider buying single weight motor oil for your car if that is practical since multi weight oils are basically the light weight with polymers to get the higher viscosity at high temperature. When the oil is well used, the basic oil does not break down, it just gets dirty, but the polymers break down so if you are using 10w40 in your car it is like putting 10w in your S-10.

Again, congratulations treebark treebark.

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Bob

09-19-2006 22:22:01




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 Re: Recycling Hydraulic oil with water in it..(Tut in reply to JayWalt, 09-19-2006 22:11:49  
Geez, and my wife &^#%*@&$ 'cause she says I'm CHEAP (read FRUGAL)... I'm gonna have to tell her about you!



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