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scotty

09-22-2006 05:05:29




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Mornin Bob, Im a bit cornfused ! Let me start by sayin I bought a after market wiring harness for my 49 Super A and its very nicely done ! But, the wiring diagram that they gave me is terrible, first I need to use a magnifying glass to even see the darn thing and even then Im not sure where the darn wires are goin. I cant copy my 42 A because its not the same :"(

OK, Im looking at your posted wiring diagrams for a H/M 6v with magneto ignition. I think thats the right one. On my generator I have two studs coming out of the housing. On my voltage regulator I have two tabs on one side BAT and F and on the other side I have a GEN tab. Now to the harness, I have the two leads that go to the headlights, even I could figure that out :") and two other leads, one much heavier than the other. I would think the heavier lead would go to the bat terminal ? The other to the gen tab ? On your diagram, you dont have any wires going to the F tab.Also they throw in two shorter jumper leads I have no idea ! They also show an L tab on the voltage regulator which I dont even have :"(

To make this whole thing even more confusing then these wires go back to the elec panel. It looks like the bat terrminal goes back to the fuse holder and the the other thinner lead goes to the + side of the amp meter ? They show a F terminal and A terminal coming out of the regulator housing.It looks like the F terminal goes to the F on the volatge regulator and the A terminal goes to the gen tab on the VR.

Hey dont laugh to loud I figured out the harness on the other side :") the long wire went to the mag and the shorter went to the starter :")

Help !


scotty

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gene bender

09-22-2006 10:24:15




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 Re: BobM Help :) in reply to scotty, 09-22-2006 05:05:29  
Is the thing on top of the gen a reg or is it a cutout? If it is a cutout the field wire goes from the cutout to the terminal on the lite sw where the flat wire wound resistor is. This is for hi-charge and make sure the sw has a good ground thru the housing. There will be only one coil in the cutout if that is what it is. When you take that cover off if there is more than one coil and points you have a regulator. The witing harness for your B probably is for a cutout as that was standard.

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scotty

09-22-2006 10:38:54




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 Re: BobM Help :) in reply to gene bender, 09-22-2006 10:24:15  
Hi Gene, There is only one coil under the cover. Although the box is physically bigger than the little cutout on my 42 A. So your saying that with only the one coil its still a cutout ! I think I remember CNKS stating that if the thing is mounted on top of the generator its a cutout. When I get home I will have another look under the cover.


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John T

09-22-2006 08:42:45




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 Re: BobM Help :) in reply to scotty, 09-22-2006 05:05:29  
Scotty, I also want Bob M to get here m straighten you out (go with him or Jim versus me, Im rustyyyyy on IHC) but in the meantime, I bet I can add to the confusion lol, heres why.

I used to buy n sell n trade n work on alllll brands of tractors in the seventies when I was as a used tractor dealer n can tell you I saw alllll ll kinds of jury rigs and conversions on electrical systems till who tied the pup so Im always reluctant to say for sure how one might be wired REGARDLESS how it was original.

That being said, heres how n why I think wiring gets cornfusing or messed up when you buy ready made harnesses or Voltage Regulators etc.

On tractors that were originally equipped with 4 pole (BAT FLD LOAD ARM) Voltage Regulators, many got changed to 3 pole (BAT ARM FLD) and vice versa a 4 can be made to work where a 3 was originally or a 3 can work where a 4 was originally.....

For a 4 pole (BAT FLD LOAD ARM) VR system there would be TWO wires up to the dash, one from the VR's L terminal to feed the light switch power and another to wire to the load (NOT to battery/starter) side of the ammeter, thats the charge wire from the BAT terminal on the VR.

On a 3 pole (BAT ARM FLD) VR theres ONLY ONE wire up to the dash, the charge wire from BAT on the VR to the ammeters load side terminal.....

Sooooo if the harness has two wires up to the dash, Ima thinkin one (larger) is from the VR's BAT terminal to the ammeters load terminal while the other is from the L terminal (ONLY if a 4 pole VR) to feed voltage to the light switches input terminal

Howeverrrrr rrrrr if you only have a 3 pole (BAT ARM FLD) VR,,,,, ,,then you only need ONE wire from the VR up to the dash, the one from BAT on the VR to the ammeters laod terminal..... IN THAT SITUATION the light switch would receive its input voltage by a wire from the ammeters Load terminal (same terminal that wires to BAT on VR) over to the switches input

NOW ARE YOU MORE CONFUSED LOL

Jim has ya well covered on the VR to genny wiring, so now all you gotta do is wire the VR according to if its a 3 or 4 pole per the above. If a 3 pole ONE WIRE from VR's BAT terminal up to dash (ammeter),,,,, ,, If a 4 pole, 2 wires from VR up to dash, BAT on VR to ammeter and LOAD on VR to light switches input.

To add to the cornfusion on many 4 pole VR's the BAT FLD LOAD terminals are side by side or close together, while the ARM terminal may be off by itself on the bottom.

Regardless what you have, it can be made to work if you understand the theory, and theres also the older 2 wire cutout relay genny systems where there were also two wires up to the dash, one from BAT on the cutout relay to the ammeter and the other from the gennys Field post to the light switch wooooo hooooo oooo lol

Best wishes n God Bless

John T

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scotty

09-22-2006 09:44:45




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 Re: BobM Help :) in reply to John T, 09-22-2006 08:42:45  
Thanks John annd BobM, I think I have a grip on it now ! Hopefully I will wrap this tractor up soon and post a pic to all the fellas that helped me out :") This is my second one but hopefully not my last :")


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Bob M

09-22-2006 08:39:35




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 Re: BobM Help :) in reply to scotty, 09-22-2006 05:05:29  
Scotty - check your email! ...Bob M



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Janicholson

09-22-2006 07:07:14




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 Re: BobM Help :) in reply to scotty, 09-22-2006 05:05:29  
I'm sure Bob M will chime in here, But I will give you a start. With encouragement, I recommend a book on old charging systems. Knowledge is a serious assistant.

The "F" terminal on the Gen. (smaller one) connects to the F terminal on the regulator. no other connections to these.

The "A" terminal on the Gen. (big one) attaches to the Gen terminal on the regulator. no other connections here either. These may be the extra leads given, big wire on big terminals (just a guess)

The BAT terminal on the regulator attaches to the terminal on the amp meter that is not connected to the battery. There should be other wires there as well. This wire connects the charging system to the battery and provides power to all systems when the tractor is running and charging.

Your post indicates that it has a magneto mags are never connected to anything but a single wire that goes only to the start stop mushroom headed button. On a mag tractor this button is grounded so that when the switch is pulled out, the wire is not grounded, and the mag operates. When the switch is pushed in the mag is grounded at the points inside, and stops sparking the plugs. Do not connect voltage to the mag ever.

The Wire from the amp meter to the starter switch terminal (where the big wire comes in from the battery, is a fat #10 wire. I recommend a 30 amp fusable link, or heavy duty fuse holder with a 30 amp fuse should be placed in this wire as system protection)

the light switch (OFF D B), and other accessories, if any, should be connected to the non-battery side of the amp meter. By the way if the amp meter reads charge when the lights are turned on and it is not running, the amp meter is hooked up backwards, just change the leads to the opposite terminal.

Be sure the regulator chassis metal has a good solid shiny connection to ground. If it does not it will not work, or it will work inacurately. Good luck, JimN

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scotty

09-22-2006 07:35:30




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 Re: BobM Help :) in reply to Janicholson, 09-22-2006 07:07:14  
Mornin Jim, Thanks for the help, thats a good start ! I just have so much time into this tractor now I dont want to make a mistake on wiring and fry something! Anything mechanical is never too much of a problem but I hate wiring, unfortunately its necessary :")


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