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kfox

10-11-2006 15:57:47




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I have a rebuilt H with a minor problem. Everything is new in the engine except the camshaft & crank. The crank was turned and all bearings are new including the cam bearings. It has good oil pressure, starts with a touch of the button without the choke, and doesn't leak any gas from the carb. The problem is a random "popcorn" sound in the exhaust and its using too much fuel. I've went through 3 rebuilt carbs & two distribtors and nothing changed. At first I suspected valves so I loosened them up to hot 19 thousands. The valves guides & seats are all new so I don't think thats the problem but I tried it anyway. I'm about ready to take it to the local IH dealer, but I don't have enough arms & legs to pay for that, and I'm not sure he has anybody old enough to work on a H. Has anyone ever ran into this problem before? Thanks for any info.... ken

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ChadS

10-12-2006 09:14:49




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 Re: Opinions Needed? in reply to kfox, 10-11-2006 15:57:47  
How many hours on the rebuild? Check the manifold bolts, retorque the head, readjust the valves, and put a load on the engine to break it in. IF, it has 10 hrs or less, and hasnt had a load put on it,, the rings are not seated in. what happens is the compression pressures fluctuate from the rings losing the seal on the cyl wall. it can be high, then low, high then low, and that will make it act like it has a valve leaking, or a bad plug, and run rich cause the fuel is left over and not burning up from the last power stroke. IF it hasnt had a load put on it, lets say just putting around, the rings wont seal,, it may take 25-50 hrs to seat em,, but, under a load, it will break in in a hour or so. Sounds like a vaccum leak,,, or a low cyl pressure. Hope this helps,, Chad

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Mike CA

10-12-2006 10:15:39




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 Re: Opinions Needed? in reply to ChadS, 10-12-2006 09:14:49  
What kind of load are you refering to? After my rebuild I'll want to break in my engine, but I don't live on a farm, so I don't know what kind of load I could put on my tractor.

Maybe I could pull my neihbor's SUV around the block a couple of times. I'll have to do it early in the morning so he doesn't find out.



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El Toro

10-12-2006 11:29:49




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 Re: Opinions Needed? in reply to Mike CA, 10-12-2006 10:15:39  
Find a steep hill and run the tractor up the hill a few times. That's what I did, then I installed the plow and plowed the garden. You need to work
the engine. Your car or truck is no different.
Short idling runs will ruin any engine. Even cars and trucks need to have the soot blown out on the Interstate highway. If you don't your engine will carbon up quickly. Hal



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ChadS

10-12-2006 10:47:51




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 Re: Opinions Needed? in reply to Mike CA, 10-12-2006 10:15:39  
On a dyno, put a bush hog mower on it, go plowing, OR,,, do it with the distributor. You can adjust the timing, to where it puts a load or strain on the engine. retarding the timing, or turning the distributor clockwise (on horizonal mounted distributors) a tad at full throttle can help dramaticly. Now, you dont want to go overboard,, listen to it by ear,, have a helper operate the throttle, and turn the distributor until the engine labors slightly, it will sound like a car engine when you drop it into gear,,, if there is a problem, like a bad plug, or the carb settings are incorrect, it will tell you very quickly by misfiring, or it can actually get hot from the carb being to lean,,,, so pay attention to the heat guage. once you have ran it for,, lets say 30 minutes put the timing back to the book specs, or if your ear is good by ear,, and shut it off,, let it sit and cool completely. this is the time to check all your bolt torques, while its warmed up,, check the head, manifold, carb flange bolts and nuts,, they will be loose, heat from the engine cause the parts to expand and contract, and that makes leaks, and in the headgasket, wont crush properly if not retightened. Valve lash adjustments made, valve cover back in place, all the fluids checked and topped off, fire the engine back up. Let it warm up, and then shut it off again, get your compression guage out, and read all the cyl pressures at cranking speed. Hopefully,,, they are all within 5-10psi of each other,, if they are over 10psi,, the rings are still not seated, or your valve lash is out,, so check the lash first, then do the trick with the distributor again,,, but this time,, you want to put the timing to where it lugs just a bit harder than what you did before,, bout 30-45 minutes,, and repeat the process till they are within 5-7psi of each other. Chad

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RustyFarmall

10-11-2006 22:32:49




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 Re: Opinions Needed? in reply to kfox, 10-11-2006 15:57:47  
It is possible that the new valve guides are too tight, but they will wear in and be just fine. If your timing light is defective, throw it away, and while you're at it, throw away that electronic tach. You don't need it. I've never been able to get an H to run right when I used a timing light. Your ears and the seat of your pants will tell you when the timing is right.



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Jossette

10-11-2006 17:55:58




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 Re: Opinions Needed? in reply to kfox, 10-11-2006 15:57:47  
spark plugs or timing



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CNKS

10-11-2006 17:35:06




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 Re: Opinions Needed? in reply to kfox, 10-11-2006 15:57:47  
My Super H had a random "miss". I had originally set the timing with #1 at TDC "by the book". I then set the timing by rotating the dist in and out until I got the max rpm at idle. The miss went away. Occasionally the answer is simple. I don't know what you mean by using too much fuel -- in comparison to what it used before the overhaul? About all you can do is lean the carb to the point that it begins to miss, then open it until smooth plus maybe 1/4 additional turn. This assumes that the valves are set to spec.

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JT

10-11-2006 16:14:25




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 Re: Opinions Needed? in reply to kfox, 10-11-2006 15:57:47  
As Hal pointed to, valve springs come to mind, is the timing OK on it, have you set it correctly? You might check the float level on the carb, if it starts with no choke, you are overfueling somewhere, you should have to use the choke a little at first when starting cold. And if the float was set too high, that would also explain the excessive fuel being used. Did the valve guides get finish reamed when they were put in, it also sounds like you could have some sticky exhasut valves. You said it has new guides and seat, did the valves get ground and lapped, they might not be seating correctly.

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Janicholson

10-11-2006 16:13:47




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 Re: Opinions Needed? in reply to kfox, 10-11-2006 15:57:47  
I believe you are hearing normal noises from an uncontrolled gasoline engine. Unburnt fuel (from the quenched areas of the combustion chamber) enters the exhaust system and explodes randomly. It is very noticable with a exhaust flipper rain cap. It will bounce around and dance based on irregular pulses. If it is running a bit rich, it will exacerbate this and do it more, than less. Leaning the mixture screws (both high speed, and low, may help some, but do not make it too lean as this will cause an assortment of major problems. Comparing the fuel consumption of these old tractors to new systems is unfair, so I would just be a bit conservitave,(1/4 turn richer than the point the tractor begins to slow) and live with it. Find other Owners in your area and listen to their units. It is the nature of these fine tractors. JimN

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El Toro

10-11-2006 16:07:44




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 Re: Opinions Needed? in reply to kfox, 10-11-2006 15:57:47  
Were new valve springs installed? You may have a weak valve spring. Hal



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kfox

10-11-2006 16:11:57




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 Re: Opinions Needed? in reply to El Toro, 10-11-2006 16:07:44  
Yep, new springs. I've been thinking (thats how I get in trouble) the manifold is off of a much older tractor and it is very pitted on the outside. Can these burn through inside?
ken



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kfox

10-11-2006 16:26:41




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 Re: Opinions Needed? in reply to kfox, 10-11-2006 16:11:57  
The valve job was done in a long time machine shop, and I even spent a couple of hours watching & talking to the guy that did the work. ANother sympton may be that I cant get my electronical tach to work on this engine, and my cheap Auto-Zone timing light just fires once & awhile. The tach just gives random readings and bounces around the scale. My good old tach gave up the ghost last summer working on my other old H. The old 41 H that I have runs like a sewing machine, and I borrowed the carb & dist. off of it when I started having problems with the 51 H. They didn't help any.
ken

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