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Broken Seat Spring.. Fact or Fiction?

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772TAS

10-11-2006 20:11:24




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As I was tooling around the field this past weekend on my 49H towing a trailer style shredder, I happened across a rather large log buried deep in the grass. I would guess 6 to 8 inches in diameter and 3 or 4 feet long. You know the kind where you feel the front tires hit something large as they bump up into the air, and you look to see what it is as it passes under you and by then it is to late to stop. The largest piece of the log to come out the other end couldn"t have been more than 6 inches long x 1 inch wide. I mean to tell you it really tore that log to shreds (as the name implies).
But after seeing this I started thinking about what that shredder would do to me if I happened to get under it. Here I am driving a tractor with no dead man switch and a direct drive PTO. If I fell off this thing it will keep going until it falls into the tank or hits a house, tree etc. Then I didn’t feel so comfortable sitting up there on my seat supported by a coil of steel… and that coil was shrinking as I thought about it… Somehow, somewhere I had heard about Farmall tractor seat springs breaking. I had always attributed it to an over zealous someone wanting to sell me a new spring.

So I recon the question is has anyone ever had a seat spring break or seen a broken spring or even heard of a reliable source claiming one broke?

Thanks
Ken B.

Marlin Texas

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FarmallH48

10-14-2006 18:36:39




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 Re: Broken Seat Spring.. Fact or Fiction? in reply to 772TAS, 10-11-2006 20:11:24  
Interesting topic...Very...It's always good to bring up safety on this forum to remind us of the danger of old AND new trators...any tractor will kill you. I have an H that the igntion swtich wores are crossed (In is on and out is off) I use a pull behind brush hog on it all summer long. I Always think about putting a teather on it so if i did fall back it would stop the tractor, but this would ONLy be helpful if i DIDn't have a Over Drive Clutch on it... If i didn't have the overdrive clutch on it, then the brushhof would stop when the tractor stopped becasue it is in gear, right? well there is the momentum issue. But with the Clutch on there...that PTO jsut keeps going after i shut the tractor off.

Well anyway, jsut some food for thought

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Michael Soldan

10-12-2006 14:55:43




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 Re: Broken Seat Spring.. Fact or Fiction? in reply to 772TAS, 10-11-2006 20:11:24  
Well, I'll bet there has been more than one farmer die when the seat snaps off. There was a collector here in southern Ontario that was well known around the show ciruit, he killed himself backing a tractor into a shed, it wasn't a Farmall, I believe it was a Deere, anyway the seat support broke off and he fell behind the reversing tractor and was killed, an unexpected drop in the seat height, a driver unbalanced and the conditions can be right for a fatality. That is my example and more wouldn't surprise me...Mike in Exeter Ontario

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John M

10-12-2006 14:13:37




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 Re: Broken Seat Spring.. Fact or Fiction? in reply to 772TAS, 10-11-2006 20:11:24  
With a bushhog you should have an overrun coupler on the PTO so if you did have to stop fast, the tractor will stop.



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F-Dean

10-12-2006 12:47:24




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 Re: Broken Seat Spring.. Fact or Fiction? in reply to 772TAS, 10-11-2006 20:11:24  
If you lose the spring on your H and you have atleast one hand on the steering wheel, you will not fall off! Been there-Done that!



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Larry D. Grandey

10-12-2006 12:29:00




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 Re: Broken Seat Spring.. Fact or Fiction? in reply to 772TAS, 10-11-2006 20:11:24  
I didn't have a seat spring break, but last summer my H had a scary problem. I'm pulling logs up to the barn and I turn around to check the log & chain. In the motion I pulled on the steering wheel and the post that supports the steering wheel, lights, ammeter, switch and throttle broke. Now try steering a vehicle with the wheel wobbling and the throttle excellerating. Now that was scary!



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markloff

10-12-2006 11:24:25




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 Re: Broken Seat Spring.. Fact or Fiction? in reply to 772TAS, 10-11-2006 20:11:24  
Hello,

Did anybody know this is the reason the old Regulars and F-20, 30s had two bars in the old leaf spring seat? If one broke the other would hold you on the tractor.

Mark



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janicholson

10-12-2006 07:26:40




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 Re: Broken Seat Spring.. Fact or Fiction? in reply to 772TAS, 10-11-2006 20:11:24  
Fact!
Our SH "V" shaped coil spring fractured, dropping my Bum 6" from its position. No big deal, I just drove on.
A broken seat that didgive me pause was on a Moline U that I was driving on a stone road at a Max Warp of 13mph. The seat mount broke, and on that tractor the operator is more or less over the air on the back. I hung on to the wheel, but it turned a bit to the right. My feet were dragging on the ground, and I could not get them ahead of the stones passing by. The tractor drifted into a 16" phone pole and the right rear tire hit it dead center, bouncing the tractor backward, and my jaw into the seat parts. It did kill the engine upon the second bounce into the pole. That was a week's worth of bruse. JimN

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Andy Martin

10-12-2006 06:45:55




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 Re: Broken Seat Spring.. Fact or Fiction? in reply to 772TAS, 10-11-2006 20:11:24  
SELL THE TRACTOR!

You need a modern tractor which will either protect you or at least has a current manufacturer your wife can sue for making a dangerous piece of equipment.

When the spring breaks, you don't necessarily fall off. I've had them break and you just lose a little altitude. You have to hang on to the steering wheel. I've had the steering post break off and the steering shaft come out of the u-joint. That is a more dangerous condition. You can't steer and have nothing to hang on to to push the clutch in. By the way, parts break on new tractors, too.

Go look at new tractors. They have lots of safety features which are designed to accomodate lack of personal responsibility. These old ones are not designed to today's safety standards and if that makes you uncomfortable you should sell the tractor to some other innocent individual, or if you are really conscientious, cut it up to save some poor woman from becoming a widow.

Nat gave you the best advice, slow down. You just as easily could have hit a sinkhole you did not know was there and turned the tractor over. By the way, when my front wheels jump I don't just look down to see if I'm running over a calf, telephone pole, truck wheel, drunk neighbor, or power line, I get the clutch in and get it stopped. I don't want to tear up my equipment. If I can't see what I'm doing, I go slow and keep on efoot on the clutch (usually the left).

My wife knows if I die on a old Farmall it was because I was doing what I wanted to do. She plans to call the auctioneer first, then the mortician.

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dhermesc

10-12-2006 06:14:08




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 Re: Anything in reply to 772TAS, 10-11-2006 20:11:24  
Its not just a bushhg that would make a mess of you. Care to imagine what a disk or a plow would do to the human body if you fell of?



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Dakotaclassiccycle

10-12-2006 22:30:43




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 Re: Anything in reply to dhermesc, 10-12-2006 06:14:08  
Been there done that....

i was on the local fire department when we were called to a fire in a house. come to the house and a tractor was sticking 1/2 way out with a disc behind it. no driver around..... 2.5 miles back across 7 farmers fields (1/2 not yet harvested) he had 2 much to drink, fell off and got ran over. he actualy lived. cut realy deep and badly broken he still farms today although not sure if he still drinks on the old tractor.

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john *.?-!.* cub owner

10-12-2006 05:48:22




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 Re: Broken Seat Spring.. Fact or Fiction? in reply to 772TAS, 10-11-2006 20:11:24  
I've never personally known anyone to break the spring, but on our H with the front seat spring set up, the center bolt through the spring once broke. The seat on that model can only drop about 6 inches, but Dad said it sure gets your attention when you are falling and the end of the bolt plus the cap over the spring pass you nose as they are going up.



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Nat 2

10-12-2006 05:39:52




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 Re: Broken Seat Spring.. Fact or Fiction? in reply to 772TAS, 10-11-2006 20:11:24  
First, if you're brush hogging in an unknown area like that, SLOW DOWN! These tractors are not dune buggies, and the wheels should NEVER leave the ground. The frames of these tractors are not meant to take large shock loads like that, and even a short hop can cause the tractor to break in half in the torque tube area, or the front end to snap off.

Second, a dead man switch won't save you if you fall off the seat. The mower and tractor have enough momentum that you'll be in pieces six feet behind the mower before the tractor even thinks of slowing down.

Third, if you fall off the seat because of a broken seat spring, what are you doing with your hands? You need a firm grip on the steering wheel with at least one hand at all times just to keep the tractor under control. If/when the seat spring breaks, the worst thing that should happen is your butt drops a few inches.

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forklift

10-12-2006 04:40:07




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 Re: Broken Seat Spring.. Fact or Fiction? in reply to 772TAS, 10-11-2006 20:11:24  
I have seen plenty of them break also even when I was on them. Now that you mention it I have a tree stand harness that one goes around you had a small 1' strap and then another part that could go around the steering post that would normally go around the tree. Its small and could be pretty easy to install every time you get on just strap it around your chest and go. I am going to install one on the bush hog tractor my self. Look into them ,Not the full body harness just the small ones. JS

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Jim Becker

10-12-2006 08:33:22




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 Re: Broken Seat Spring.. Fact or Fiction? in reply to forklift, 10-12-2006 04:40:07  
I have heard of more tractors tipping over and killing drivers than I have broken seats killing them. I don't think tethering yourself to an old tractor is a good trade off.



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forklift

10-12-2006 12:23:09




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 Re: Broken Seat Spring.. Fact or Fiction? in reply to Jim Becker, 10-12-2006 08:33:22  
Good point JIM. I dont know about the kill teather either if its any thing like mine the bush hog sits and spins for about a min when you kill the tractor too. I guess its a be carfull kind of thing. JS



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gene bender

10-12-2006 02:21:46




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 Re: Broken Seat Spring.. Fact or Fiction? in reply to 772TAS, 10-11-2006 20:11:24  
You are driving down the road three lanes of traffic bumper to bumper at 67mph and right front tire blows you are in trouble correct. Driving anything you take a risk so if mowing with a bush hog worries you maybe you better no do it.



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RustyFarmall

10-11-2006 22:09:07




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 Re: Broken Seat Spring.. Fact or Fiction? in reply to 772TAS, 10-11-2006 20:11:24  
Having grown up around these old Farmalls I can tell you for sure that indeed those springs do break. If you have a Farmall with coil spring seat, it would be a good idea to have a spare.



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BDM

10-11-2006 21:53:25




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 Re: Broken Seat Spring.. Fact or Fiction? in reply to 772TAS, 10-11-2006 20:11:24  
Guy I know attached a ignition cutoff tether similar to those used on Jet Skis. It had maybe 1 1/2' of slack. He was always afraid of that happening.



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earlschieb

10-11-2006 20:41:45




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 Re: Broken Seat Spring.. Fact or Fiction? in reply to 772TAS, 10-11-2006 20:11:24  
When I was a kid, in South West Ohio, a man was using a W6 International, with a pull type Bushhog, seat broke, and the Bushhog killed him.



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chad 9999

10-12-2006 22:44:52




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 Re: Broken Seat Spring.. Fact or Fiction? in reply to earlschieb, 10-11-2006 20:41:45  
I cut the old spring seat off and put a seat with back support and arm rest on it the frame is 4" channel no fear of it breaking off this fear has crossed everyones mind on these old tractors because most of the time u are sitting behind the rear tires and nothing to stop the fall saw a c with a high back seat out of a van mounted on it fancy



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