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Crazy alternate fuel conversion question.....

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Patrick Martin

11-02-2006 23:50:28




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I was playing with my M35A2 today and was thinking of how feasible it would be to convert the little C123 engine over to diesel or a multifuel like the M35.

Anyone explore this or tried swapping the C123 with a similar HP size diesel?




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tractorsam

11-03-2006 10:30:57




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 Re: Crazy alternate fuel conversion question..... in reply to Patrick Martin, 11-02-2006 23:50:28  
IH in Europe built several tractors that were virtually identical to North American models but they used a diesel engine. I'm sure one of these was the Super C and I think it was built in France. Don't know a whole lot more than that though. Tractorsam



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BEWILDERED

11-03-2006 06:14:06




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 Re: Crazy alternate fuel conversion question..... in reply to Patrick Martin, 11-02-2006 23:50:28  
Why not propane?



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Hugh MacKay

11-03-2006 03:13:48




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 Re: Crazy alternate fuel conversion question..... in reply to Patrick Martin, 11-02-2006 23:50:28  
Patrick: I've never tried this, however the thought has crossed my mind. Your C-123 engine will be govorned close to 1600 rpm giving 540 rpm, pto and roughly 22-24 hp at that govorned speed.

What your going to encounter with any diesel light enough and sized to fit in the engine compartment area, without looking like a jungle junk yard, the problem will engine rpm. Basically any engine that is going to look neat in that compartment is going to develop 25 hp at somewhere near 2500 rpm. It probably will not share the same longeiviety the C-123 engine has.

Through the years, the truly efficient diesels have been the ones that developed max torque around 1500 rpm and had a govorned speed around 2000 rpm. Their efficiency came from both fuel savings and engine longeiviety.

IH already tried what your proposing, it was called the 274. Basically an offset Farmall not a lot different than 140 other than they changed the transmission ratios to go from a 1600 rpm engine to a 2500 rpm diesel. The results were a disaster. I have two friends that bought 274s new for their commercial vegetable farms. Today the 274s are gone, and they are using a SA and 130 respectively. Numerous farm equipment companies have tried this getting hp from rpm rather than cubic inches, most have failed miserably.

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RustyFarmall

11-03-2006 07:32:38




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 Re: Crazy alternate fuel conversion question..... in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-03-2006 03:13:48  
Back in the late seventies I had an opportunity to operate a John Deere 2030? diesel. After only about 4 hours I had just about had all I wanted of that high strung screamin little diesel. It was just about the most irritating sound I had ever heard.



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CNKS

11-03-2006 09:33:02




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 Re: Crazy alternate fuel conversion question..... in reply to RustyFarmall, 11-03-2006 07:32:38  
I spent some time on it's little brother the 1530. That 3 cylinder diesel had enough power considering that it was a small tractor, but that engine was the loudest I have ever heard, bar none. Ran good though.



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