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Lane R

11-12-2006 08:47:43




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On my 1953 Super A, the front rims that are currently on it use a U-shaped "tab" about 2 inches long to attach to the wheel hub with a bolt through it. However, on the new rims that I bought, they have a triangular tab about 4 inches wide where it is welded to the rim and about 2 inches long. (It looks similar to the tab for a AV, but the rim and tabs are too small). I looked through Guy Fay's Farmall Letters Series Tractors Originality Guide and did not see any tractors with this triangular tab style front wheel. If anyone has any idea which is original, please let me know.
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Lane

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Roger Mills

11-16-2006 10:25:10




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 Re: Super A Wheels in reply to Lane R, 11-12-2006 08:47:43  
I just received an original A and Super A set of manuals and there are two front hubs shown for the A series except for the AV, one has a circular step in the casting and takes the bare rim and individual cast clamps. The rim sits in the step of the hub casting and cannot be adjusted in any way. As an option the front hubs are flat surfaced and the wheel has three U shaped lugs with holes to bolt them to the hub. These lugs are riveted to the rim on either side of the lug. Spacers can be placed between with longer bolts to adjust the wheel offset from the hub. They allow the front track to be adjusted between the front end adjustments.

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banjo

11-12-2006 21:35:15




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 Re: Super A Wheels in reply to Lane R, 11-12-2006 08:47:43  
My 52 super A has the U shaped tab rivited to the wheel you were talking about on your old rims. My 48 uses a wedge similar to a trailer house axle.



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Rnicholas

11-12-2006 19:27:31




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 Re: Super A Wheels in reply to Lane R, 11-12-2006 08:47:43  
I had the same thing happen to me when I bought a new rim for my 100. I gave the dealer the number for the rim out of my parts book so I assumed that they didn't make the old style anymore. The only adjustment is that the triangular tab style will have to have shorter bolts than the ones that went through the old brackets.



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City-Boy McCoy

11-13-2006 03:46:03




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 Re: Super A Wheels in reply to SuperA-Tx, 11-12-2006 13:55:27  
Tex:
I looked at those in the catalog. I think the ones Lane got are different - like some kind of aftermarket style.
mike



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Hugh MacKay

11-12-2006 12:49:39




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 Re: Super A Wheels in reply to Lane R, 11-12-2006 08:47:43  
Lane: It sounds to me as though you are trying to put new Super A wheels on Farmall A front hubs. Are you sure you Super A has the proper front hubs.

I perhaps shouldn't be calling these A and SA wheels as I'm not certain change occured at model change time. However the early front rims were smooth with no lugs welded, rim just fitted tight over hub and lugs held it in place. Newer wheels had 3 lugs welded to the rim. As I say I'm not certain change occured at model change but definitely before 53. I know the H did not change at model change time as some Hs had the new type wheel. From what I've seen in my day, looks like those wheels changed around 1950.

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Jim Becker

11-12-2006 18:34:27




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 Re: Super A Wheels in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-12-2006 12:49:39  
Hugh,
Gene had it covered in his first post. The 2 different wheel styles were not an A/Super A difference. The attached lug (adjustable) wheels were an option. I don't think I ever saw many adjustable rims on either model tractor, as the axle was usually adjustable (another option). From what I have seen, the adjustable wheels were pretty common on the B and C.



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Hugh MacKay

11-12-2006 19:24:36




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 Re: Super A Wheels in reply to Jim Becker, 11-12-2006 18:34:27  
Jim: I've never seen a pre 1950 Farmall tractor any size with adjustable wheels. I've also never seen a post 1950 Farmall tractor without adjustable wheels. I've owned 3 Super A, 2 - 130, an H and a 300, and I've seen countless others all as I indicated above. I don't think I've ever seen an exception. In fact when my dad bought the 51 H new, dealer made him quite aware of the new adjustable front wheels, as though it was an improvement that had not been available until then.

In fact I had never seen a non adjustable front axle until last summer, A, Super A, 100, 130 or 140. The first one I saw was a 140 in an auction, and it sure downed the price of that 140. To me it was a clear case of Canadian buyers not being familiar with non adjustable axles. In fact one guy in the crowd asked the auctioneer if the front end came from Walmart.

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Jim Becker

11-14-2006 19:09:18




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 Re: Super A Wheels in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-12-2006 19:24:36  
This may be a question of which equipment was put on Canadian tractors. In any case, I have an original A/B Parts Catalog that was published in 1942 that has both style wheels and rims.



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City-Boy McCoy

11-12-2006 15:03:26




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 Neither Fish Nor Fowl in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-12-2006 12:49:39  
Hugh: If his rims are like the ones I saw on ebay, they are not the early smooth lug-less style (A), nor the later style (Super A) with the 3 lugs rivited on them.
They are brand new and something different from original - definitely aftermarket. They may/may not substitute for the A or Super A style, but do not look like them, as the welded on lugs are of a totally different shape. I do not have a new OEM catalog yet, so cannot tell if they are the same as in there or not. mike

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Hugh MacKay

11-13-2006 03:13:12




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 Re: Neither Fish Nor Fowl in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 11-12-2006 15:03:26  
Mike: I think I have a set of rims much as you describe. I looked in my file but don't have anything scanned close up enough for you to compare.

Do these rims have a pressed angle iron type lug, curved to match rim and spot welded to the rim on one side? Is the other side of pressed angle iron flat, yet triangle shape with hole for matching adjustable wheel hub? If so, CaseIH have been selling those as replacments for over 20 years. I bought the 2 I have from dealer, one in 1990 and the other probably close to 5 years before that. Without checking I'd guess this pressed steel lug is made out of 5/16" thick material.

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City-Boy McCoy

11-13-2006 03:38:45




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 Re: Neither Fish Nor Fowl in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-13-2006 03:13:12  
Hugh:
That sounds right. Now, what do those rims fit - the early non-adjustable wheel, or the later adjustable wheel?
mike



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Hugh MacKay

11-13-2006 06:20:55




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 Re: Neither Fish Nor Fowl in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 11-13-2006 03:38:45  
Mike: They fit the adjustable wheel, I have them on my 53 Super A.



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gene bender

11-12-2006 14:09:15




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 Re: Super A Wheels in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-12-2006 12:49:39  
Why did so many As and SA have adjustable rims on a adjustable axle. Have seem many many over time and never could figure why or was it that they just used what was there when building the tractor as the cast centers are different.



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Hugh MacKay

11-13-2006 03:44:14




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 Re: Super A Wheels in reply to gene bender, 11-12-2006 14:09:15  
gene: I'm beginning to wonder if IH shipped Farmalls into Canada as not complete tractors. Back in the 50s. It wouldn't have been free trade as it is today on farm equipment. My thoughts are Farmall tractors may have come to Canada less rims and tires. I remember several times here on YT discussion over past several years, items you folks in the US considered standard equipment, I don't remember as standard equipment here in Canada.

I do know IH published separate buyer guides for the US and Canada from early 1940s up until the Case buy out. I have relatives in New England, and we quite regularly compared buyer guides just to see what each other were missing out on. The list was longer than you might think.

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gene bender

11-13-2006 04:34:21




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 Re: Super A Wheels in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-13-2006 03:44:14  
Hugh it makes sense that they may have been shipped without tires,rims and so forth. As i go to the shows i always look at the A,SA and others for the front wheels and i never makes sense to have an adjustable rim on a adjustable axle but you sure see it a lot. I have both on the A,B,SC, and BN, I do have some original loop riveted types great shape. You can buy the loops seperate and rivet them to the new smooth rim or take your old loops off and rivet them to the new rim. Same thing with the rears they had three different styles of the riveted brackets some with three rivets andsome with four even a difference on the position of the bracket. Example some 8in rims can be set to the in position on the cast centers and some cannot due to the placement of the riveted and type bracket. You cannot buy them anymore either.

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Jim Becker

11-14-2006 19:03:23




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 Re: Super A Wheels in reply to gene bender, 11-13-2006 04:34:21  
There should be a different bracket for each width of rear wheel. They need to end up positioned with their inner edge 1" from the center line on any width rim.



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City-Boy McCoy

11-12-2006 12:18:48




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 Re: Super A Wheels in reply to Lane R, 11-12-2006 08:47:43  
Lane:
I saw a new pair on ebay last week or two - sounds like the same type you bought. I was afraid they were not correct for my '53 SA, so I passed on them. Glad I did now. Thanks for the information. Sorry for your misfortune. Hope you can get a refund on yours, if that is what you wish to do.
mike



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gene bender

11-12-2006 11:25:57




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 Re: Super A Wheels in reply to Lane R, 11-12-2006 08:47:43  
The welded ones you bought are not original. There were two types avail one was a smooth rim that used a clamp to fasten to the cast center. Other was what was called adjustable had three tabs that were riveted to the rim. Now the cast centers were also two different types as the one would only take a clamp style and the other cast center would only take the adjustable rim with the riveted loop. Only welded type was the hi-clear and those took a 19in rim and tire.

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