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Opinion Survey - M H Gearing?

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City-Boy McCoy

12-04-2006 05:00:56




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Howdy, boys.
I've heard a few comments that the (regular) M and H have a 4th gear that is too low - that not only does the tractor move too slow, but it makes too big of a jump from 4th to 5th. Supposedly, this was improved in the Super M & H? Is it true that 4th is too low to the point of being a pain? Is it true that it was improved in the Super series? Would larger tires partially correct the problem, in that it would make the tractor move faster in 4th, even though it would do nothing for the spacing between 4th and 5th? (I know; a t/a equipped tractor would be best as would a M&W 9-speed conversion.) I'm just trying to learn before I jump out there and buy something.
Thanks.
mike

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davidll

12-04-2006 16:03:03




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 Re: Opinion Survey - M H Gearing? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 12-04-2006 05:00:56  
I have my Dad's 1944 "H" and he put Super "H" gears in it many years ago. He wanted to pull the rotary hoe fast enough to make it work properly. I am 59 and I was a little boy when he did it so it was probably 50 years ago.



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Josh in Pa

12-04-2006 15:27:58




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 Re: Opinion Survey - M H Gearing? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 12-04-2006 05:00:56  
I had an M and it was awful slow for raking and tedding hay. Other jobs it worked fine for. 5th gear is fast, nice empty, but not much power for pulling a load.
Josh



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Ksfarmmer

12-04-2006 12:18:34




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 Re: Opinion Survey - M H Gearing? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 12-04-2006 05:00:56  
I did a lot of field work with our family M. I don't recall anything we did where we considered 4th gear too slow. Yes, there is a gap from 4th to 5th but it is certainly workable. I'm not sure what you are wanting to do with your tractor, but I would think there are far better places to spend your money than an extra gear or messing with with different size rims.

Now, a hand clutch,that might be worth spending a little extra on.....

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CNKS

12-04-2006 07:39:32




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 Re: Opinion Survey - M H Gearing? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 12-04-2006 05:00:56  
I drove an H for probably 5000 hours in the 50's when I was between the age of 12 and 20. 4th is 5 1/8 mph with standard tires. With the equipment we had 4th was usually only used as a transport speed when the ground was too rough for 5th. The H does not have enough power to do much tillage in 4th, we only used it occasionally under exactly the right conditions. We did not have a "light" implement such as a rotary hoe or a hay rake that I am sure could be handled in 4th. IH ratings for the H, drawbar is 25.5, the Super H 31. I currently have a Super H but I don't farm and really have not pulled anything with it -- but I know enough about the differences in the H and Super H to make a guess. 4th in the H is 5 1/8, Super H 6 5/8 with standard tires. I really doubt that the Super H will pull more than the H in 4th gear, maybe even less, because the faster ground speed will cancel most or all of the additional 5 hp or so. For people with light tillage operations, or hay operations, which are light load, the increased speed is beneficial. Also, 3rd gear in the SH is virtually the same speed as 4th in the H. So with the same implement at the same speed, the H will pull it in 3rd at 4 1/4 mph, the SH will pull the same implement in 4th at 5 mph. So the SH should give the 5 mph tillage speed that the H does not have at 5 mph. Except for plowing most of the H tillage was done in 3rd gear. Much of it could "almost" be done in 4th, but the RPM's would simply not build to the max rated load rpm, thus the engine would not have lasted long. I burned a couple of sets of valves as it was. As to road gear, people make too much of the lack of power. 5th is direct drive in both tractors. It is simply better to start up in 4th, get it to speed and shift up. They are simply not modern tractors with 18-24 speeds which give an almost infinite number of speeds. I have driven some of those, but not much. An M&W would be beneficial, but you would have to have a use for it, such as hay operations. Those are not tillage gears. Larger tires will increase the speed, but they will also reduce the effective HP -- What do you intend to do with the tractor? That is the determining factor.

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Steven@AZ

12-04-2006 07:17:28




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 Re: Opinion Survey - M H Gearing? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 12-04-2006 05:00:56  
4th gear is about right for any field work, including mowing. The only time I wish I had a gear between 4th and 5th is raking hay - the newer "finger" style wheel rakes work best around 6 mph, up to 8 mph if the field is smooth enough.

The Supers had a 7 mph 4th gear. Wish my H had a 9 speed and the low 1st gear - just to be different!



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Rustyfarmall

12-04-2006 06:50:29




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 Re: Opinion Survey - M H Gearing? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 12-04-2006 05:00:56  
There was an optional 7mph 4th gear attachment available for the H and the M. I think the supers had this option as standard equipment. There was also an optional 1mph low gear attachment.



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Janicholson

12-04-2006 06:48:18




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 Re: Opinion Survey - M H Gearing? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 12-04-2006 05:00:56  
I agree with the posts below, the gap 4-5 is substantial, however in most situations 4th will provide all the speed a light operation can handle. The rotary hoe might be the only exception, and it is not used much anymore. Our SH and H would pull a rotary hoe in road gear, but it was a bit of a jump to fifth from fourth under load. We tried to do most of our 10 to 28 acre fields with one start, and one stop. A lower gear than standard is the gear missing from all letter tractors including those with TA. I say this because the needs of farmers to go slow while finish or bush hog mowing, and during live plant manual operations in truck patch systems, and the rotary hoe requirements were not met. The low speed first with its special countershaft and driven gear was still a bit too fast, and rare in a "discovered for sale" tractor. Good question, JimN

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glennster

12-04-2006 06:01:57




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 Re: Opinion Survey - M H Gearing? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 12-04-2006 05:00:56  
i have 3 m's, one has a 9 speed. the 9 speed does make the tractor a lot faster in high range up to road gear which is the same as low range 5th. most of the time that tractor is in low range, 4th gear is is about fast enough for any field work. i have a belt driven welder on that m, and about the only time i use the 9 speed is when i break something and need to go zoomin across the field to fix it. its handy to have, but not an absolute necessity. my super m does have a little faster gear ratio than the m. it would depend on what you're gonna use the tractor for if you need the extra speed.

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dej(JED)

12-04-2006 05:21:53




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 Re: Opinion Survey - M H Gearing? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 12-04-2006 05:00:56  
As I understand it the gearing on the M & H was that the first 4 forward gears were for field work and the 5th was for road travel.
The 4th gear in an M or H is plenty fast enough for farming. Bear in mind you aren't buying a sports car that is going to have an equally spaced gearing for quick acceleration and fuel economy. The super series tractors were toughted as being 33% quicker. The gearing was uped along with the HP. You could get more work done in less time. The 9 speed was simply an attempt at moving quicker while pulling working farm equipment.

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