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garry lee

12-12-2006 09:05:15

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i'm looking at buying a live hydraulic pump for my M. the one i'm looking at runs power steering. is this pump only good for power steering or can i run other hydraulics, like loader, 3-point, etc or is it too small for that? right now i have a loader on the tractor and have the pto pump set up, just curious of this other pump would do the trick.
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Garry

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Jake T

12-15-2006 15:54:19

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Re: farmall M live hydraulic pump in reply to garry lee, 12-12-2006 09:05:15

The one I have has a hook up in the front center of the belly pump case thats where the hydralic supply line hooks up.

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53supermwf

12-12-2006 17:49:57

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Re: farmall M live hydraulic pump in reply to garry lee, 12-12-2006 09:05:15

The hydraulic pump shown in the first picture I saw here is either a Behlen or an M&W. The factory IH pumps have the lines coming out of the bottom of the pump, Behlen and M&W have the lines coming out of the top.The pump from a super m should fit an m. I have a pump from a 400 on my SM as it has about 2gpm more flow capacity than my original IH pump.As for older M,s having to change the front timing cover, I have 2 sons that have a1942 and a 1944 M and both have been switched over to live hydraulics with factory IH pumps and no other changes were needed. Hope that helps

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RustyFarmall

12-12-2006 15:17:45

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Re: farmall M live hydraulic pump in reply to garry lee, 12-12-2006 09:05:15

Here's a pic of the Behlen pump on an H.

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garry lee

12-12-2006 11:02:54

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Re: farmall M live hydraulic pump in reply to garry lee, 12-12-2006 09:05:15

Alan, is the one your talking about a behlen? i think that is what this one is that i'm looking at. i dont especially need more then power steering, but it would be nice to have two way power instead of single.

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Allan In NE

12-12-2006 11:12:03

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Re: farmall M live hydraulic pump in reply to garry lee, 12-12-2006 11:02:54

No,

Mine is an IH pump off of a 300 and mounted to my H.

You would need the pump off of a 400 or 450 to fit that M. Anytime the engine is running, you have hydraulics.

Allan

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garry lee

12-12-2006 11:26:45

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Re: farmall M live hydraulic pump in reply to Allan In NE, 12-12-2006 11:12:03

actually, i think the tractor it's on right now is a 400. i got it from an insurance company after a fire. mostly cause they did not want much and i might need parts. i have not looked lately, but seems to me there is a resevoir for the pump and it also hooks in for power steering. i was thinking it was behlen power steering but maybe it's not. did the 400 come with factor live pump and power steering?

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Allan In NE

12-12-2006 11:40:21

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Re: farmall M live hydraulic pump in reply to garry lee, 12-12-2006 11:26:45

Is the pump belt driven or engine driven?

Allan

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garry lee

12-12-2006 11:41:37

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Re: farmall M live hydraulic pump in reply to Allan In NE, 12-12-2006 11:40:21

it sets infront of the distributor.

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RustyFarmall

12-12-2006 15:08:39

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Re: farmall M live hydraulic pump in reply to garry lee, 12-12-2006 11:41:37

Garry, the Behlen pump has the Behlen logo cast into it, you can't mistake it. I've got a picture somewhere of the Behlen set-up on my H. If you need to see it, let me know. In fact, it might be in the tractor photos, or parts and pieces. Do a search for RustyFarmall.

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Allan In NE

12-12-2006 12:06:20

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Re: farmall M live hydraulic pump in reply to garry lee, 12-12-2006 11:41:37

Okay,

That's probably a full-blown IH gear drive pump and should work very nicely for your M's loader, hitch, steering, etc., etc.

Allan

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garry lee

12-12-2006 12:57:19

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Re: farmall M live hydraulic pump in reply to Allan In NE, 12-12-2006 12:06:20

so is there a way to tell for sure that is what it is?

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Allan In NE

12-12-2006 14:24:12

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Re: farmall M live hydraulic pump in reply to garry lee, 12-12-2006 12:57:19

Gary,

Can you get a picture of this beast? We could tell for sure if we could put an eyeball to it.

Allan

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D Slater

12-12-2006 10:30:29

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Re: farmall M live hydraulic pump in reply to garry lee, 12-12-2006 09:05:15

This site lists a M&W pump for M in parts they sell. Never saw one they sell but if its like the originals it will bolt to any M. It says threaded holes in top of pump for lines, which would be like the original M&W pump. Should be new with the price thats on it.

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Allan In NE

12-12-2006 10:08:57

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Re: farmall M live hydraulic pump in reply to garry lee, 12-12-2006 09:05:15

Garry,

The live pump will do anything you want it to.

Allan

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ChadS

12-12-2006 13:41:55

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Re: farmall M live hydraulic pump in reply to Allan In NE, 12-12-2006 10:08:57

Allen, did you have to change the timing cover to put that pump on your H?

Ive also got a real good IH pump and resivior off a Super M,, simular to the one in the photo if anyone needs it, I think it has to have the later timing cover,, the bolt pattern is not the same as the M,,, its bigger,, Ive got a H that I have a pump like the one you have, that Id like to put live HYD on it. ChadS

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Nat 2

12-12-2006 09:44:32

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Re: farmall M live hydraulic pump in reply to garry lee, 12-12-2006 09:05:15

If you're looking to buy one of those rare Behlen or M&W pumps, don't buy it to use. Rare, no parts, and not suitable for a loader. Better to put it on eBay, make a hefty profit, and use the proceeds to buy a NEW factory-style live pump for your M. That way you won't be stuck with an unrepairable, unusable hunk of junk.

If you're talking about a belt-drive pump, then it's not a real "live" pump. It's an old power steering pump off a pickup truck that someone cobbled together. Don't waste your time.

Also, if your M isn't a 1950 or newer, you will need to change out the front engine plate, front cover, and timing gears to add the factory live pump.

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RustyFarmall

12-12-2006 09:18:29

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Re: farmall M live hydraulic pump in reply to garry lee, 12-12-2006 09:05:15

Behlen? The pump that mounts ahead of the distributor? I don't think that one has the capacity to do much more than provide power steering. I could be wrong.

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glennster

12-12-2006 09:15:43

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Re: farmall M live hydraulic pump in reply to garry lee, 12-12-2006 09:05:15

they did make an aftermarket pump that ran off the distrobutor drive, it wont run a loader. you can get a live pump and then add a power steering priority vale to run both power steering and hydraulics for the m. oem tractor parts sells the whole charlynn kit.

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TxAllisMan

12-12-2006 16:43:26

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Re: farmall M live hydraulic pump in reply to glennster, 12-12-2006 09:15:43

Looks like the pimp on my fathers 404 that is factory for the live 3 point.

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