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26Red

12-18-2006 22:09:58

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Truck breaks down...(no surprise there with 280k on the odometer), turns out it was running on six cylinders, and I limp it home. Just great.. Been looking at used diesels for a while and can"t find one I like. Dealers don"t want to deal on prices- kind of odd since used trucks are not selling fast.. So, garage calls with the bad news...I call around and get some quotes and run the numbers. So I drop a nice chunk of change down on rebuilt motor and transmission...(there goes the budget) As soon as I pay the bill at garage, and hop into my newly repowered 10 year old truck, my brother calls on the cell phone and says he found me the used diesel I was looking for! AARRRGGH! And he"s got them down several thousand dollars off the price... Talk about kickin guy while he"s down.

Now, I"m in so deep now on this 10 year old pickup, there"s no point in trying to sell it. Gas 1/2 tons are a dime a dozen these days.. dumb luck strikes again!

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Next Time...

12-19-2006 17:33:42

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Re: OT... dumb luck in reply to 26Red, 12-18-2006 22:09:58

While it is not my intention to be overly harsh, you could have prevented this mess by thinking ahead. Waiting until the old truck is completely out of service, being out of touch with current prices so as to jump at the first truck that seems like it will suit your needs regardless of price and not having a backup vehicle is a sure fire prescription for being caught over a barrel at the bargaining table and paying more than what is going to strike you as a deal.

That's exactly right--you're in very deep to your 10 year old pickup. No dumb luck about it.

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26Red

12-19-2006 23:05:23

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Re: OT... dumb luck in reply to Next Time..., 12-19-2006 17:33:42

For some more insight on "the tight spot I was in":

I had been searching for a used diesel truck for well over 6 months. Dealers were not dealing when and where I was looking. Had a backup plan for wheels which I used when the truck broke down. I do not have the luxury of having two vehicles, nor can I afford the expense. I fixed several mechanical problems on the truck myself saving big dollars. I was just venting that when the cards fell, I had to make an "economical" choice for the situation. I don't think I made out too bad considering I now have a 3 yr warranty on the rebuilt motor, rebuilt transmission and transfer case.

I call it dumb luck, and some people call it hind sight (which is always 20/20). The most frustrating part was finally finding a good deal, and having to pass on it. Sometimes things do not go according to the "plan". Just thought I would share my experience here with everyone for a good laugh.

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Marty Johns

12-19-2006 13:38:05

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Re: OT... dumb luck in reply to 26Red, 12-18-2006 22:09:58

I sold and specialized in Ford trks, for 20 yrs and now am selling RV,s! So the diesels I am familar with,(scuse the spelling)The cummins was always a good eng. and was selling ford/dodge when crysler started putting them in their trks! also 2 yrs later Ford bought cummins! but because of contracts, could'nt take them away from dodge and could"nt put them in a ford at the time! the new ford diesel and the duramax are equally good engines!

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Steven@AZ

12-19-2006 18:52:32

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Re: OT... dumb luck in reply to Marty Johns, 12-19-2006 13:38:05

Ford did not buy Cummins. Ford owned a small share of Cummins stock at one time and has since sold it. Ford has purchased Cummins engines for their heavier duty trucks, and continues to do so.

If you want a good truck, buy a Ford and put a Cummins in it. fordcummins.com

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the Unforgiven

12-19-2006 05:59:50

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Re: OT... dumb luck in reply to 26Red, 12-18-2006 22:09:58

That seems to be the way it works! I couldn't find a used Diesel or even a crashed one to repower my 440 Dodge 1 ton, so I bought a new one. And guess what-used Diesels were suddenly everywhere! I will stick with the Diesel, oil changes, grease, and one air filter is all it has taken in 100K. It may cost more but you get a lot more for the money. But I must also admit that I am a little concerned about the new fuel.

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Nat 2

12-19-2006 09:44:01

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Re: OT... dumb luck in reply to the Unforgiven, 12-19-2006 05:59:50

Don't worry about the new fuel. Even the big oil companies can't afford to rebuild each and every old-fuel diesel engine on the road, so they MUST adequately compensate for the lubricity lost in the desulfication process.

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26Red

12-19-2006 08:39:21

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Re: OT... dumb luck in reply to the Unforgiven, 12-19-2006 05:59:50

Ya- I was hoping to get a 3/4 ton diesel for towing. Guess I will have to wait a while and get my $$$ out of this old truck again.. I"ve replaced just about everything mechanical on it.

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RustyFarmall

12-18-2006 22:20:38

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Re: OT... dumb luck in reply to 26Red, 12-18-2006 22:09:58

Nope, you're still better off with the gas engine. Considering what the EPA is doing with the diesel fuel, and the fact that the price per gallon is around 40 to 50 cents more than gasoline, and then factor in the added maintenance costs, I can't see where the diesel will pencil out.

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Allan In NE

12-19-2006 07:04:13

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Re: OT... dumb luck in reply to RustyFarmall, 12-18-2006 22:20:38

Hi Ya Rusty,

This is neither here nor there; doesn't mean a bean-sprout in the bigger world-order of things.

However, you owe it to yourself to hook your gooseneck to a diesel, load it to the stops and go climb the biggest hill you can find.

I didn't believe it either, but when it comes to a work truck, I'll never own anything except a diesel from here on out. They are just like the tractors; a power curve you can't believe! :>)

Allan

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Tim...Ok

12-19-2006 13:05:23

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Re: OT... dumb luck in reply to Allan In NE, 12-19-2006 07:04:13

Ya know what cracks me up,bet I've read it a hundred times,people talking about the added maintenance costs of the diesel over gassers..I call bullpuckey on that.. I've been driving Cummins Dodges for close to 10 years now and I absolutely love'em..no plugs,no wires,no cap and rotor..oil changes and the occassional fuel filter,thats it..I just don't get it.. Anybody that wants to bash'em obviously has never used one..I pulled my 20' gooseneck to OKC and back a couple years ago,averaged 17mpg..

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RustyFarmall

12-19-2006 07:30:09

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Re: OT... dumb luck in reply to Allan In NE, 12-19-2006 07:04:13

Don't underestimate the power of a Chevy 8.1 either. The first real load that I put behind that engine was an Allis D-19 diesel. Loaded er up in Kansas and proceeded west into Colorado and then continued on west of Denver on I-70, all the way to the other side. Not too many 18 wheelers passed me. That 8100 gasser made a believer out of me. Fuel mileage was all the way from a low of 8mpg going up the hills, and a high of 14 running on the flat.

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City-Boy McCoy

12-19-2006 03:55:45

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Re: OT... dumb luck in reply to RustyFarmall, 12-18-2006 22:20:38

Well, Rusty, there's more to it than what the pencil says. Granted, oil changes cost more on my diesel, and I'm paying 23 cents a gallon more than regular sells for here. But, man, what a towing machine. It does not know how strong it is! Plus, when my truck is on the interstate and I am not towing anything, I get 20 mpg by holding my speed down to 67-68 mph.

So, it depends on what you are doing with your truck. The pencil says get a 4-cylinder Nissan. But, I also have to factor in the duties I need my truck to accomplish. And, my diesel meets my needs. The pencil does not figure that.

mike

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RustyFarmall

12-19-2006 05:04:39

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Re: OT... dumb luck in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 12-19-2006 03:55:45

Don't forget to pencil in the extra $4,000 to $5,000 that the diesel engine cost. Also, pencil in the added cost of diesel fuel additives you will be needing because of the new low sulpher fuels, and don't forget to pencil in the fuel filters, etc.

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MN Scott

12-19-2006 07:18:10

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Re: OT... dumb luck in reply to RustyFarmall, 12-19-2006 05:04:39

Fuel additives will not be required for the new ULSD fuels as strict new lubricity [sp?] standards are in effect for the new fuels. I don't think the oil companys want to be buying new pumps for everyone. The only problems so far are in older engines with some seals leaking as the aromics are different in ULSD and the old seals don't adjust. Once you go diesel you can never go back to gas. My Duramax gets 18 MPG towing while my old 6.0 gasser was lucky to get 5. Even with diesel costing .40 more you still come out way ahead. As for the extra cost for the engine if you look up the blue book prices you will find a diesel engine boosts the tradein value by 5 to 6 grand. Then there's the power, with my old gassers I had to shift down and crawl up hills when loaded at 25 MPH not so with a diesel! A diesel is made to pull and a gasser in not, how much do you think the service life of a gasser is shortened if you pull heavy loads? For example compare a 806 gasser to a 806 diesel which one would you want to plow 400 acers with. I would want the diesel, it would do it on half the fuel and would do it for the next 40 years with few repairs. The gasser would hve to be rebuilt several times in 40 years. There's a lot more to pencil out than then just inital cost and fuel.

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City-Boy McCoy

12-19-2006 07:09:17

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Re: OT... dumb luck in reply to RustyFarmall, 12-19-2006 05:04:39

The point I was trying to make was that cost is not the only thing some of us have to take into account when choosing a truck. Additionally, I bought mine used and therefore, did not pay a full 4-5 thousand more for a diesel engine, as that option had depreciated with the rest of the truck; I don't have to add any additives for the new low sulpher fuel - it is quite compatible for my 2001 diesel.

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RustyFarmall

12-19-2006 08:08:20

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Re: OT... dumb luck in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 12-19-2006 07:09:17

I would really like to have the luxury of not worrying about cost when buying a truck, unfortunately, I do not have that luxury. The price on the sticker determines what I can buy.

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matt in pa

12-19-2006 06:31:21

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Re: OT... dumb luck in reply to RustyFarmall, 12-19-2006 05:04:39

My last gas F250 (2001) got 9-11 mpg. My latest Ram 2500 (2001) diesel gets 18-20 mpg. Unless the cost of fuel is twice that of gasoline, I'm still coming out ahead, especially considering that I paid almost the same price for each truck. I bought the Ford used in 2003, and the Dodge used in 2005. Forgot to mention that the Dodge is a 6 speed manual trans, which does make a difference. If someone would put a Cummins diesel in a Ford truck with a 6 speed tranny, a person would never have to buy another.
I do miss the ease of maintenance on the gas motor though...

No offense to the Chevy guys out there. I just haven't owned a Duramax yet. Might be the best of the lot, but I won't know until they come down in price (a whole bunch!)!!

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Steven@AZ

12-19-2006 11:09:05

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Re: OT... dumb luck in reply to matt in pa, 12-19-2006 06:31:21

As to the Cummins in a Ford, visit Link there are many of them on the road in ND and MT...

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matt in pa

12-19-2006 11:41:24

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Re: OT... dumb luck in reply to Steven@AZ, 12-19-2006 11:09:05

Thanks Steven, I will check it out. I love the Cummins engine, but the rest of the truck seems to be lacking in the quality department. Maybe mine was built on a Friday? Anyway, I have had good luck with Ford trucks, just couldn't find a 6 speed diesel when I was looking.

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