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300/340 head on Super C

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Chris from Wa

01-10-2007 18:30:38




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I've heard that a head from a 300 or 340 will fit on a Super C and have bigger valves/smaller combustion chambers. Can anyone elaborate on this? Will the rest of the Super C valve train work or do I need to change that too? How about the manifold? Will the Super C water pump fit? Does anybody have a part number for the head that will work? Quite a few questions, eh? Any info is appreciated.




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Chris from Wa

01-11-2007 10:22:18




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 Re: 300/340 head on Super C in reply to Chris from Wa, 01-10-2007 18:30:38  
Thank you very much for response, gentlemen. I searched the archives and couldn't find what I needed. This helps a lot.



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Stan(VA).

01-10-2007 21:57:57




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 Re: 300/340 head on Super C in reply to Chris from Wa, 01-10-2007 18:30:38  
Chris,
Sorry, I didn't respond to the earlier post because it looked to be answered already and I knew I had covered it in the archives; but I know sometimes it's hard to find stuff if you don't know what terms to search on. There is nothing magical about the 340 head, same head as the 130/140/230/240/330. CNKS and Shaggy are telling you right as well. Some details: yes, the manifolds do interchange, the later one flows better with easier curves and has larger ports; but has a different carb height so the air cleaner bolts don't line up unless you get the air cleaner to match the manifold (ie: late manifold needs a 130/140/230/240 air cleaner). The Super C valve train will work...(I will say with a caveat, meaning the rocker arm assy will, but some other parts should be obvious like valves and some of the springs because of rotators, etc...), water pump is not effected, upper water neck keep the one on your Super C. If you need more details it can be found in the archives, try

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Specifically read my post 03-14-2005 at 21:04:52.
The thread was trying to work out a difference in experience with Hugh, but it never got resolved. So with a noted exception for F series tractors (F12/14 which I know little about, as they are outside of my primary area of interest), and an obligatory special exemption for Hugh's 140 ;) I still hold that all C113/C123 and early C135's are 9 bolt heads(that will interchange); late C135 and C153's use the 14 bolt heads. Early vs late I believe to be the split from the 240 to 404, and 340 to 504.
Stan(VA).

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Shaggy

01-10-2007 19:45:12




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 Re: 300/340 head on Super C in reply to Chris from Wa, 01-10-2007 18:30:38  
I was told that some of them had more head bolts. I know that the Super A and B have 9 bolts and the C-153 engine has a few more.
Shaggy



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CNKS

01-10-2007 19:10:10




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 Re: 300/340 head on Super C in reply to Chris from Wa, 01-10-2007 18:30:38  
The 340 head is from the same family of engines (C113,C123,C135 the Super C has a C123, the 340, C135), but I don't know if the heads interchange. -- others will. The 300 head is from an entirely different engine and will not fit. The Super C water pump will certainly fit a Super C and also the A,B, and C. If your Super C does not have a water pump, it is not a Super C, but a C, which had a thermosiphon cooling system that does not require a water pump. Same answer for the manifold as the head, of course if you get the C135 manifold ---

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