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Scott Eugene

01-14-2007 05:36:27




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Well I did a bad thing and now I need a little help! I put the battery charger on my '57 130 and left it with the ignition switch on overnight. The battery is charged, but she won't start. Have I fried something? Any suggestions on where to start troubleshooting? I'm probably not the first person to ever do this. Thanks for any help!

Scott
Mooresville, NC




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Scott Eugene

01-14-2007 10:27:49




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 Re: Ignition in reply to Scott Eugene, 01-14-2007 05:36:27  
Thank you very much for your help. I printed out both replies and trotted down to the shop to get out my multimeter. Before doing any troubleshooting, I tried to start her and she and cranked right up. I guess it is my lucky day.

I had tried the tractor right after I unplugged the charger and could not get it started, honest. It always starts easily. Maybe the overheated coil just needed to cool down. The troubleshooting help will not go to waste though, I have it filed with the other posts I have collected.

Thanks again.
Scott

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John T

01-14-2007 08:26:09




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 Re: Ignition in reply to Scott Eugene, 01-14-2007 05:36:27  
Scott, Its quite possible the coil may have overheated and its primary winding (between its lil + and - terminals) became an open circuit !!!!! !!!!! Other possibilities may be a bad ignition switch or points but if the switch was on and the points closed (as they normally are) even though they drew current all that time they werent opening n closing which is a cause of arcing n burning, so Id suspect the coil got hot n opened up first.

Theres a couple ways of checking for that, one is to remove all its leads and use an ohmmeter to measure its primary resistance between its lil + and - terminals, and it should be like 1.5 ohms for a 6 volt coil but around 3 ohms if a 12 volt. If its an open circuit, its obviously baddddd ddddd.

The other is to take a simple 6/12 volt indicator test lamp with its alligator clamp wire to frame ground and its probe terminal on the coils low (to distributor) terminal. Turn the switch on and when the points are open (could place a match cover between to hold open n insulate or manually/insulated open them) if the coils primary is okay and continuous, the lamp should glow BUTTTTT if thay are allowed to close and ifffff fffff f they and all the wirign is good n correct, the lamp should go off as that point is effectively grounded. With the points open the lamp should glow UNLESS the coils primary has burned open..... ..

As the engine is cranked over the test lamp on the coils low (to distributor) terminal should flash on (when points are open) but off (when points are closed)

Of course, shes never gonna spark unless theres also hot voltage over on the coils other high (from switch) terminal. Put the lamp there and turn on the ignition and if the lamp dont glow check n trace backwards up to n including the ignitiion switch (in case its bad) and then voltage getting to the switches BAT input terminal. You could also just try n hot wire the coil by temporarily jumping hot battery voltage to its input n see if she fires then.

CHECK THE COILS PRIMARY,,,,, ,,,check the points for opening n closing and clean/buff/polish them if carboned up or gray oxide coated slightly but file or replace them if badly burned or pitted and reallyyyyy black,,,,, ,,,,, ,check the ignition switch,,,,, ,,try the ohmmeter test or the test lamp method above for coils primary and/or points problems.

If that dont cure it post back and I will post my long winded Troubleshooting Procedure

Let us know, Best Wishes n God Bless

Ol John T and all

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El Toro

01-14-2007 06:14:46




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 Re: Ignition in reply to Scott Eugene, 01-14-2007 05:36:27  
You may have burnt the points. Take look at them
to see if they are pitted, if they are pitted I would replace them.

If they aren't pitted I would clean the points with a piece of 320 wet or dry then take a cotton swab dipped in alcohol and clean them. Then see if the tractor will start. Hal



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