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Randy as in Ran

01-21-2007 09:04:38




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Hi , I'm one of those people that thinks that if something is remotely fixable it should be saved and fixed in it's entirety . That said , these people on ebay that part out a perfectly running tractor ( in their own words ) so they can maximize profits just irritates me to no end . I know it's true that tractors can bring more money as parts than as a running tractor but this is , in MHO , just unconscionable . It almost falls into the category of killing healthy poor people to harvest there organs 8'[ . Same old gripe - They don't build these things anymore so each one torn down and parted out is one more that we won't be able to enjoy in the future . There's more than enough tractors that ARE junk laying around in back lots that just need to be found . The problem is that even though I don't like the practice I would probably buy the parts , I'm such a hypocrite ! Just because I know they'd probably be better quality . I guess it boils down to that I don't like money hungry people . I know collectors will find offense here because I've heard the argument about how it'll bring the price of a carefully restored tractor up into the range that would maybe net some positive returns in their investment . The thing is if you enjoyed restoring the tractor that's your payback ! No one in there right mind would restore anything motorized to make a profit from it , that just doesn't happen on a regular basis . But I suppose I'm preaching to the choir . I feel better now ! ...Randy

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moseed

01-22-2007 07:46:31




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 Re: Sellers on ebay in reply to Randy as in Randy-IA, 01-21-2007 09:04:38  
A whole lot more tractors would find the smelter if those folks that part out tractors were not in business. The times when a good original is parted out is a pity and we all wish we could be there to intercede and save them however how many hedge/fence row queens would be restored if there were grossly few parts and so, very very expensive "if" you could find the parts to be had?
I for one am beholding to those that part out tractors, though I occassionally wince when a real good original goes down...seems we who collect and restore can't find them all.

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Paul G. in Mn

01-21-2007 17:07:54




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 Re: Sellers on ebay in reply to Randy as in Randy-IA, 01-21-2007 09:04:38  
I hate seeing tractors that can be saved parted out more so when they are good useable units to begin with or something unique. I can across one that should have never been parted but was lucky to purchase most of it. It was a 39 M sn 529. The motor was beyond repair but the rest was there. By time I found it all the gears had been pulled out of the rear end, motor was gone and so was the tin work, front boster and alot of the little stuff . I made a deal on all that was left and makeing one that is complete with all the right parts useing a 39 I had that had the wrong rear end. So even so that tractor shouldnt have been parted but then I am going to get it back going. All the casting codes will be right other then the front boster wich is hid to match the 529 sn. Alot of dollors in this one but will be worth it in my eyes.

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Jason Mortzheim

01-21-2007 15:09:40




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 Re: Sellers on ebay in reply to Randy as in Randy-IA, 01-21-2007 09:04:38  
I hear you! I too cringe when I see someone parting out a tractor on eBay but then again, when I need parts to help restore mine - where do I go? eBay.

What I can not stand is when they set a reserve or starting bid high to cover the scrap value which is always much higher than I feel than can really obtain. And then they say of nobody wins it it is going to the scrap man. If you don't want it then in the interest of preserving these old beasts start it low and let the market determine its value otherwise you are just trying to make money and restoring old tractors is a passion not a money making venture (my two cents)

Granted I occasionally sell excess parts on Ebay but I use the funds to purchase new equipment (save them from the scrap man) or parts to save the ones I already have. I would never send any decent parts to scrap. I would rather give them away to someone before they go to scrap and have in the past and I am sure I will again.

In fact, I will be listing some parts on ytmag and eBay soon from some early spring cleaning that are in that boat.

I have seen some folks here on ytmag (that also sell on eBay) that have given folks the opportunity to purchase a complete tractor at a decent price whole before they parted it out and I applaud those sellers and I try to reward them with my part business when possible.

Ok I will get of my soap box. I hope I did not offend anyone that does part out tractors as I and others have said, we need parts for ours so some tractors will have to be sacrificial lambs as long as you give all the tractor parts the opportunity to find good homes and send no good parts to scrap without a fair fight!

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Nat 2

01-21-2007 11:06:39




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 Re: Sellers on ebay in reply to Randy as in Randy-IA, 01-21-2007 09:04:38  
Randy,

They don't make many of these parts any more. If one tractor can give its parts to keep 20 others running, it's all good.



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Randy as in Randy-IA

01-21-2007 14:31:27




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 Re: Sellers on ebay in reply to Nat 2, 01-21-2007 11:06:39  
That's the point Nat , You don't see many Packards or Nash's on the road anymore do you ? Why ? There's plenty of them out there just go to a car show . But they don't scrap a running one out to keep the others going . They had a demand and someone decided to start reproducing QUALITY aftermarket parts . The cars are now only in the hands of the collectors that can afford them . And then they stay in a climate controlled garage because they are to valuable to drive on the road . That's not a good life for a tractor I don't think . ...Randy

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RustyFarmall

01-21-2007 09:17:43




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 Re: Sellers on ebay in reply to Randy as in Randy-IA, 01-21-2007 09:04:38  
I have had some experience with those "removed from a running tractor" items. Used carburetors in particular. I will guarantee that none of the carbs I bought that fit that description were removed from a running tractor. Everyone of them had a fuel bowl full of rust, complete with a fully collapsed float. If the seller makes that claim in his description, I read no further, and keep looking.



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Randy as in Randy-IA

01-21-2007 09:59:19




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 Re: Sellers on ebay in reply to RustyFarmall, 01-21-2007 09:17:43  
Well Rusty I can see that . My M runs good , misses a little but it needs a tuneup . It's a rusty old beat up tractor that no-one would be proud to call their own . It doesn't have a screen in the float bowl nor in the settling bowl . I have to scrape rust out of the settling bowl about every month when it gets to about 2/3's full . So I imagine the float bowl is full of rust too . I've never fixed it because it ain't broke . It has a distilate bowl so I open the drain every now and again to flush it out . I'll get around to rebuilding it sooner or later but as long as it works ... Since I have to get bearings in the tranny before summer and the tank has to be propped up I was going to remove and clean the tank at that time and then work down to the carb . How much snow have you gotten ? We got about 6" here today . ...Randy

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JayWalt

01-21-2007 09:16:26




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 Re: Sellers on ebay in reply to Randy as in Randy-IA, 01-21-2007 09:04:38  
I kind of agree, but I dont. I mean if that one tractor can keep 50 from sitting and turning to crap, then that's good. The thing is there may be a bunch of junk ones half gone that people have, but most of them are sitting outside going to rot and rusty and all messed up. Given the option of a part I know will work, as opposed to a part that is waiting to die in the same price range it's logical. If more people would put their truely junked tractor parts on ebay then those of us who dont have a local tractoryard would buy them more. On ebay its take what you can get when you can. I'm not going to wait for someone to decide to pull that old iron from the field and start selling parts off of it. I request on the forums, then I go to ebay...

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Randy as in Randy-IA

01-21-2007 10:13:52




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 Re: Sellers on ebay in reply to JayWalt, 01-21-2007 09:16:26  
Hi Jay , I do fully agree with your last two statements . And like I said I'm a hypocrite . I don't like it but I'll buy from them just because they are the ones that come up with the unusual or hard to find parts so if I say I won't buy from that individual I feel I'll miss out on something I need or want . So in a way I agree with the first part of your post also , but it still irks me ! If in fact the tractor is a running tractor there should be a law prohibiting the sale of parts from it ! Ha- Ha ! Like that would work ! ...Randy

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RustyFarmall

01-21-2007 09:24:08




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 Re: Sellers on ebay in reply to JayWalt, 01-21-2007 09:16:26  
Jay, the only problem I have with that theory is that a person can strip off the useable parts, list them on eBay, and maybe make enough money to pay the eBay fees, or you can load the whole thing up and take it to the recycler and actually put some money in your pocket. Those ridiculously high sellers fees are bad for the buyer as well as the seller.



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JayWalt

01-21-2007 10:32:36




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 Re: Sellers on ebay in reply to RustyFarmall, 01-21-2007 09:24:08  
you are exatly right. I'm thinking of listing on yahoo auctions, as its free, totally free, and set a reserve since there isnt alot of action there, then if it doesnt sell go to ebay. I'm tired of ebay, bahh!!



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Craig T

01-21-2007 09:15:32




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 Re: Sellers on ebay in reply to Randy as in Randy-IA, 01-21-2007 09:04:38  
Randy, I agree. If I could I'd probably try and save every last one of them. I admit, a few months ago a neighbor had a super H that had been parked under a tree for 20 years and was going to scrap it. To save any good parts a friend and I went over and tore most of the good parts off. It turns out that the guy who had owned it new before he sold it to the guy who let it sit wants to restore it. I gladly gave him back all the parts back free.

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dave2

01-21-2007 10:46:32




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 Re: Sellers on ebay in reply to Craig T, 01-21-2007 09:15:32  
Nothing is sacred on ebay. Everything costs something over here. You even have to pay to turn in a car or old equipment to a junkyard so that they can recycle the stuff and sell it. Ebay is the ticket for me. Costs about $15 to get rid of a rear tractor tire and $8 for a front (just the tire). Put it on ebay and 90% of the time, someone will need it. get enough to cover the ebay fee and everyone is happy. The downside is, that you never know when something really was junk, or stolen off some honest Joe's equipment. Check thier feedback and enjoy the deals. If someone wants to waist something, you can't change thier mind.

Have fun,


Dave

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Randy as in Randy-IA

01-21-2007 10:40:31




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 Re: Sellers on ebay in reply to Craig T, 01-21-2007 09:15:32  
Hi Craig , So he let you strip off parts when he already had someone to buy it that wanted to restore it ? That's wasn't very nice of him .

But congrat's go to you for returning them ! I'm glad there's still people out there that DON'T live by the " DO UNTO OTHERS BEFORE THEY DO UNTO YOU " ethic ! ...Randy



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