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PaulW_NJ

02-05-2007 08:31:43

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My 340 Utility has two sets of hydraulic outputs on its sides that are controlled by HydroTouch valves (used for loader), and hydraulic lines running back to the Fasthitch, with it"s own TeleDepth control lever. I would like to add a set of hydraulic outputs back to the rear to attach to a hitch mounted log splitter attachment (shown in Northern Hydraulics: it comes with it"s own control valve). The 340"s external hydraulics pump is rated at 9 gpm at 1500 psi which is not terrific for a log splitter but may be sufficient. Can anyone tell me what would be involved, and where you"d tie in, to add that capability? Has anyone else tried this?

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Paul

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TDK

02-05-2007 19:03:42

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Re: Adding hydraulic output to 340U in reply to PaulW_NJ, 02-05-2007 08:31:43

You could use the diverter valve as Pete says, but depending on their cost, you may be just as well off finding another factory valve to fit your tractor. Not sure what the 9 gpm pump will pull. What I am sure about is, a 10 gpm/1500psi pump on a 300 will split firewood. We've used ours on the above tractor, a 504 w/12 gpm pump and a 484. The 484 is appox. 2400 psi. Can't tell any difference in either. It may be slower than the pto driven pumps mentioned, but it'll keep one person busy enough. Unless you're selling firewood for a living, then I doubt you need the pto pump. Two people can cut and split quite a bit of wood in a day. Bottom line is - How much do you want to spend to split wood ? Good luck with whatever you decide.

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Hugh MacKay

02-06-2007 02:35:59

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Re: That may have changed in reply to TDK, 02-05-2007 19:03:42

TDK: I think the economics of wood fuel may have changed especially for those with multipul buildings to heat, with the outdoor furnace. Then add to that the liability of having and oil tank, and possible spills. The oil tanks that are being changed around here are unbelievable.

With the outdoor furnace you get the fire out of the house, a big safety feature. You keep the mess away from the house. The size of sticks those outdoor furnaces handle will cut down the labor. I'm not suggesting the economics are perfect, but it is worth considering.

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TDK

02-06-2007 13:10:57

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Re: That may have changed in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-06-2007 02:35:59

Hugh. That's exactly what I was saying. If he's using a lot of wood for heat or even selling it, it may be cost effective to spend money on the pto pump etc. If wood is only an additional heat source or if he just wants the exercise, then I don't see hoe the cost is worth it. It may be even better for him to get the splitter with a small gas engine/pump on it. Another thing to consider is, here in TN. we are blessed with some reasonable electriciy rates, which some other areas are not. That alone will help determine what it's wotrh to him.

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Hugh MacKay

02-06-2007 02:22:34

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Re: Adding hydraulic output to 340U in reply to TDK, 02-05-2007 19:03:42

TDK: Good question, " How much do you want to spend to split wood?" I used to sell fire wood every year, always in 8' lenghts and quite often delivered it.

I once asked a banker customer, " Is this a viable fuel for you?" His answer, "Depends on your goal, in my job I need an activity with exercise, and I'll be damned if I'm going to make a fool of myself jogging throughout the neighborhood. I have my chain saw, I share a small engine drive splitter with 4 other guys. We split most of the wood by axe, throwing the tough sticks to one side for splitter. Usually those involve 1/4 of the supply."

I had another customer picking up wood one day, when loaded he said, "You don't even burn wood, do you." I said, "No, I cant afford to."

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Strahl

02-05-2007 16:49:29

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Re: Adding hydraulic output to 340U in reply to PaulW_NJ, 02-05-2007 08:31:43

You don,t need a 50 horse tractor to work a woodsplitter, besides Hugh how fast do you think a woodsplitter works anyway?

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Hugh MacKay

02-05-2007 19:05:42

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Re: Adding hydraulic output to 340U in reply to Strahl, 02-05-2007 16:49:29

Strahl: Who said anything about 50hp. 15 hp will run most any wood splitter but 9gpm hydraulic pump will be damn slow.

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Hugh MacKay

02-05-2007 16:33:22

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Re: Adding hydraulic output to 340U in reply to PaulW_NJ, 02-05-2007 08:31:43

Paul: I'd go with Wardner's idea, 9 gpm just isn't going to cut it. On a cold day you'll not be able to work fast enough to keep warm. If your not wanting to get into collecting all those parts, I think there are commercially produced splitters designed with own pto pump. Very likely there is one being manufactured near where you live. Welding shops just love building these things, great sideline for them if they have seasonal type enterprises in their area.

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Catskill Pete

02-05-2007 15:49:41

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Re: Adding hydraulic output to 340U in reply to PaulW_NJ, 02-05-2007 08:31:43

I ran into the same problem with my 340, both sets of outlets tied up with the loader. What I did was to install a flow diverter in the line to the bucket. What the diverter does is with a flip of the handle is to direct the flow away from the bucket to a set of rear outlets I installed. Flip the handle back and flow returns to curling the bucket. That way the one Hydra -touch valve serves two functions and its a inexpensive fix. Probably clear as mud explaination so my mail is open if you want more info. That said, mine has the 12 gpm trans. mounted pump and its very disappointing on my log splitter, but its nice to have a remote outlet on the back to use for implements.

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Strahl

02-05-2007 15:27:37

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Re: Adding hydraulic output to 340U in reply to PaulW_NJ, 02-05-2007 08:31:43

I use a wood splitter behind a 300 utility with no problem so i think there would be no problem using with a 340. My dad has a 340 diesel we will use it on when we get the fuel pump back on.

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Nat 2

02-05-2007 13:39:51

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Re: Adding hydraulic output to 340U in reply to PaulW_NJ, 02-05-2007 08:31:43

To add to what Wardner has said so far, there is no place to "tie in" extra hydraulic circuits on a 340. I am almost completely certain that all the hydraulic plumbing is in a machined block. With the exception of the two lines that run to the hydraulic cylinder for the fast hitch, there are no hydraulic lines to tap into, no pressurized "power beyond" ports.

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Wardner

02-05-2007 11:52:08

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Re: Adding hydraulic output to 340U in reply to PaulW_NJ, 02-05-2007 08:31:43

9 gals at 1500 psi is not adequate unless (1) you like wasting time or (2) make slabbing cuts on your "rounds". I wouldn't recommennd anything less than a four inch diameter cylinder powered with a 20 gals per minute @ 2500 psi pump. Even that will have problems with something like elm.

You need to use your PTO. The best small tractor powered systems use a Prince PTO slide on pump. Yeah, they are expensive new but you might find one at an auction or on eBay. I got my pump and reservoir for $110 at an auction.

You will need a valve - $70

a double acting dump truck hoist cylinder - $100

a wide flange 6-8" W-beam (not I-beam) - $125

and misc small peices of steel plate.

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