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Got Air ??? (pics)

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Wardner

02-07-2007 23:43:57

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Anybody ever seen the planetary PTO rear plate that accepts the right angle drive? The plate replaces the usual flat plate and is configured to look like the rear plate of the clutch type PTO.

Maybe the question should be "How many people have seen the right angle drive?". Something tells me they are rare. They come in two ratios and they both spin + or - 1000 rpm.

Drive gear-28 Driven gear-16
Drive gear-31 Driven gear-16

BTW, Hugh, that's my 660. Some of those 60 series still used the planetary PTO. Serial # 6898

AC is a Curtis C98. Rated at 103cfm @ 1000rpm. Draws 30hp. I have four of them if anyone wants one.

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TDK

02-08-2007 19:27:00

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Re: Got Air ??? (pics) in reply to Wardner, 02-07-2007 23:43:57

The plate your speaking of has been on all the 300/350/330 utility tractors with IPTO that I've seen. The Farmall 300/350's I've noticed all had the flat cover. At least on the utilities, there was also a trans. driven pto that would accept the right angle drive. Have seen a couple of these. Have only seen the drives in pics, but my neighbor says he has one. I do know that his 350 has the odd looking pto housing(trans. driven pto). The 504 parts manual shows an adapter for the right angle drive, but it gives no part number and says "not used".

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Hugh MacKay

02-08-2007 09:45:48

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Re: Got Air ??? (pics) in reply to Wardner, 02-07-2007 23:43:57

Wardner: I just wanted to let you know I did read this and see what you have. I never doubted you guys last week on the subject of planetary IPTO on 60 series tractors. I had seen one on a 460 years ago, just had never run across one on a 560 or 660. The big standards were never big sellers in Atlantic Canada, can't say as I ever saw a 660 down there. Lots of Farmall 560 and everyone of them diesel, never did see a 560 gasser down there. In fact when I moved to Ontario, 5 years ago, I had only ever seen one 6 cylinder IH gasser and that was a 460. The gassers aren't very common here either. The Canadian fuel tax policy was the driver behind that in my opinion.

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Wardner

02-08-2007 13:05:27

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Re: Got Air ??? (pics) in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-08-2007 09:45:48

Hugh, I wonder if the planetary was considered a heavy duty option. My 660 was produced near the end of its production run and long after the clutch type made its debut. And being the highest rated wheeled tractor, it might have carried a factory imperative to only supply that style of IPTO.

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Hugh MacKay

02-08-2007 13:41:03

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Re: Got Air ??? (pics) in reply to Wardner, 02-08-2007 13:05:27

Wardner: I've often wondered that myself,we had planetary on Farmall 300 and clutch type on 560. I realize this is not a fair accessment but the planetary was far less troublesome than the clutch type in our situation. One has to bear in mind the 300 was very close to factory hp while I had the 560 turning 90hp. About the heaviest pto work 300 ever did was haybine and baler while the 560 did forage harvester close to 10 years and was worked to it's 90 pto hp limit on probably half the work it did. I often wondered if a planetary would have stood the test as well or better. We only rebuild that 300 planetary 4-5 times in 35 years, while the clutch type on 560 was every 2-3 years.

I've always said IH never put the dollars they might have into R&D on IPTO, TA and hitches. IH did an excellent job on all 3 in the 06-56 series tractors. I can tell you, had that change not occured I would have been gone Deere or Oliver by 1965.

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D Slater

02-08-2007 07:56:07

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Re: Got Air ??? (pics) in reply to Wardner, 02-07-2007 23:43:57

First saw those parts used on 300U tractors.

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randy hall

02-08-2007 19:53:39

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Re: Got Air ??? (pics) in reply to D Slater, 02-08-2007 07:56:07

hi dave i have one of those angle belt pulley's that i got on ebay for a dollar. i thought that they were the heavy duty model for the 460-560, i didn't realize they could be used on the older utility tractors, randy

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Wardner

02-08-2007 12:56:19

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Re: Got Air ??? (pics) in reply to D Slater, 02-08-2007 07:56:07

Yes, that makes sense as it seems all the 300/350 utilities in this area were fitted with loaders. However, my Farmall 400/450 parts book does not show the adaptor or the right angle drive. Maybe they show up in the W or I 400/450 book. They both appear in my 560/660 book which covers industrials. The adaptor looks slightly different. It appears to be a "dry" part that bolts over the standard IPTO rear cover.

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JayWalt

02-08-2007 06:04:49

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Re: Got Air ??? (pics) in reply to Wardner, 02-07-2007 23:43:57

finaly a compressor that can operate my cutoff wheels. this crappy craftman pos just doesnt cut it, even tho its "rated" for the tool. stupid diaphram compressors. oil-less junk. mom shoulda asked me before she bought it for dad for christmas instead of making it a surprise.
too bad i'd get carbon monoxide poisoning if i ran it inside very long.

Good find, very interesting, I thought that compressor looked HUGE!!

just out of TOTAL curiousity, what would u want for one of those? got the right angle pulley drives too?

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Wardner

02-08-2007 07:26:41

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Re: Got Air ??? (pics) in reply to JayWalt, 02-08-2007 06:04:49

The compressor is big. Probably weighs around 700-800 lbs. They came out of a large regional hospital and were replaced with identical units as part of their preventive maintenance program. I also have another source for used air receivers. Everything is cheap. The compressor is offered at $250. Replacement cost for the pump is over $4000. I can get heavily discounted freight rates.

Good luck finding the gear box. You would be better off putting it in front of the radiator and running it off the mid-mount belt pulley. Or do as Janicholson suggested. Alot more convenient but would cost you CFM. Of course, if you bought two, you would be back at 30hp. LOL.

Curtis AC

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Wardner

02-08-2007 07:33:54

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Another link in reply to Wardner, 02-08-2007 07:26:41

Another link

Curtis AC

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JayWalt

02-08-2007 06:08:15

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Re: Got Air ??? (pics) in reply to JayWalt, 02-08-2007 06:04:49

wonder if u could use a smaller rated electric motor with a smaller pulley to turn the compresser lower and get lower cfm (even 1/3 is enough to blo away any tool I have!!, but also draw lower hp. Dad has a 10hp 220v motor i could use with it, but i dont know if my theory on reduced power consumption is accurate.
how old are thos compressors, they look like 2 stage?

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Janicholson

02-08-2007 06:27:48

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Re: Got Air ??? (pics) in reply to JayWalt, 02-08-2007 06:08:15

At slow speeds the flywheel effect of the input pulley would be even less than at higher speeds. Thus the torque required to spin it would be higher (at particular points in the rotation, at high pressures) I would think your idea of reduced speed is on track, but at 100psi output the compressor torque needed to get it over the top will be serious (as serious as when running at rated RPM. Driving it with a 540 RPM PTO directly would be cool (it would take about half the horse power, at about half the RPM) I see this little FH equipped skid with a short PTO coupling and a modest 50 gallon tank to buffer the pulses. JimN

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Wardner

02-08-2007 00:04:38

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Re: Got Air ??? (pics) in reply to Wardner, 02-07-2007 23:43:57

What the heck?? You would think the preview page should look like the posted page.

Gearbox ratios are:

28/16 and 31/16

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Janicholson

02-08-2007 05:57:07

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Re: Got Air ??? (pics) in reply to Wardner, 02-08-2007 00:04:38

Very nice components. Air when and where one needs it. Always appropriate. JimN

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Wardner

02-08-2007 07:53:22

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Re: Got Air ??? (pics) in reply to Janicholson, 02-08-2007 05:57:07

That setup reminds me of my first air compressor forty years ago. I used a truck air brake air compressor and drove it off my Cub right angle gearbox. I actually did a little sandblasting with it. My production went up considerably when I found a 20hp compressor head and ran it off the PTO of my 1948 KB-5 1.5 ton flatbed truck. My last air compressor was a 12V-71 Detroit Diesel powered Joy 1200 CFM. Its odd how we return to our roots and previous experience.

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