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What kind of forage harvester would fit a Farmall

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IH Man

02-15-2007 11:24:44




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I want to purchase a forage harvester for my Farmall H ,and I was wondering if you guys could give me some info on certain models made specifically for the Farmall H or M or if there are any resources available on forage harvesters. Thanks!




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Ted411

02-16-2007 08:55:41




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 Re: What kind of forage harvester would fit a Farm in reply to IH Man, 02-15-2007 11:24:44  
We have a IH 20C that we used to use behind an H. It has a one row cornhead. It is located in MD and has been kept in the shed. Let me know if you are interested we have not used it in some time.



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GeneMO

02-16-2007 08:36:08




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 Re: What kind of forage harvester would fit a Farm in reply to IH Man, 02-15-2007 11:24:44  
My only experience is with corn silage. I think the consensus here is that an H just is not going to have enough power. My uncles filled a lot of silos using a diesel M, but the chopper had its own power unit. Those are a thing of the past.


Gene



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Bruce Wa.

02-16-2007 06:25:19




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 Re: What kind of forage harvester would fit a Farm in reply to IH Man, 02-15-2007 11:24:44  
We had an IH 20C that my dad pulled with the 1945 distilate H in grass. The H had the extra low 1st gear. He bought a used M a short while later. When we went to corn he put an MW clutch on for live pto. We drove the wagon along side except when opening up the field.



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Ferd in Indiana

02-16-2007 04:28:47




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 Re: What kind of forage harvester would fit a Farm in reply to IH Man, 02-15-2007 11:24:44  
We did a lot of "custom work" filling of silos for neighbors in the 50s and 60s. The first chopper/forage harvester I remember us having was a Case with a 4-cyl Wisconsin air-cooled motor that powered it. Many of the early choppers here in SE Indiana had their own power unit. With the Case, we used to pull it--- on reasonably level ground--- with our Super C with weights hung all over it. (I've got a photo of this set-up, if I could figure out how to post it.) Usually used the F-30 to pull the Gehl hi-throw blower, but occasionally we would pull the blower with the farmer's own tractor--- many times an H. Couldn't feed it as fast as we could with the F-30, but you could get the job done just the same. Another neighbor for years pulled a 1-row IHC #50 chopper with a souped-up (FireCrater pistons) straight H. He didn't go fast, but he got the job done.

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wolfman

02-15-2007 18:16:23




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 Re: What kind of forage harvester would fit a Farm in reply to IH Man, 02-15-2007 11:24:44  
Probably have to have a healthier than average H to handle a forage harvestor. Your only hope would be one of those cut and throw types like the old Allis-Chalmers. We had an AC cut-and-throw with the little 4-ft grass head and one-row corn head and the old WD would die down till you had to slip the hand clutch. then we got the big power. The 45 would handle chopper & wagon on our Pa hills no sweat. Weights hanging all over it. Later the 460. Then a 756. From 34 hp to 76.5 in 30 years. Sold the 1956 chopper last year to a collector. Hope he keeps it another 50 years. Oh yea, back in the 60's it was filling up to 7 silos a year. Of course one of today's silos equals all 7 of those 12X60's.

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Fromjb2

02-15-2007 18:08:13




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 Re: What kind of forage harvester would fit a Farm in reply to IH Man, 02-15-2007 11:24:44  
Hi my Dad, chopped many acres with a 300U in 2nd Lo T/A with an IH #15 forage harvester. Only thing was you had to fill the a gas tank every 4 or 5 hours as it only held 8 gals. Neighbour did try his H on the #15 harvester it ran it OK but did not have live PTO and no T/A. We later had a B414 and an IH #16 forage harvester and it would chop corn in 2nd gear.

Someone else mentioned that corn plant population is a lot higher today than in the 1960s and requires either slower ground speed or more HP to chop corn silage.

JimB

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john d

02-15-2007 18:04:28




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 Re: What kind of forage harvester would fit a Farm in reply to IH Man, 02-15-2007 11:24:44  
In 1950, Dad got a JD hay chopper and pulled it with our Farmall H. About 90% of the time, it was a 1st gear operation. In '52, we got a Farmall M, and it handled it well in 2nd. A neighbor had what was (I think) the same model chopper with a one-row corn head. He and Dad swapped a lot of work. The neighbor pulled his chopper with a JD 70. The M was tweaked up with M&W stuff, and could keep pace with the 70 in corn. The 70, with a little different gearing, probably had the edge with our chopper in heavy windrowed hay. An H does not belong on a forage harvester if you have any other reasonable choice.

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chuck46

02-15-2007 15:49:46




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 Re: What kind of forage harvester would fit a Farm in reply to IH Man, 02-15-2007 11:24:44  
Hi, The most common chopper for the H and M was an IH model 20C. They were a 6 knife flywheel cut, I filled many silos with the MD on one. Set on 3/16 inch cut kept the knives sharp and set up to the shear bar, could fill a 16X50 in 2 days. Would chop a load each morning in the fall to feed fresh, when the corn got dry the H would handle it then. The chopper still sets here yet, don't know how bad it has rusted in the last 20 years, use a 720 now. Chuck

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gene bender

02-15-2007 15:02:31




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 Re: What kind of forage harvester would fit a Farm in reply to IH Man, 02-15-2007 11:24:44  
50yrs ago when we only planted 15,000 plants per acre an M did fine but now with heavier planting like 20,000 and higher plants per acre an M just will not be strong enough.



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Glenn F.

02-15-2007 14:03:57




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 Re: What kind of forage harvester would fit a Farm in reply to IH Man, 02-15-2007 11:24:44  
Heavy corn is TOO much for an M. We chopped corn for years with our DC CASE (same horespower as an M), but it was TOO much for it. Our '51 didn't have live pto. It was, go 50', let it clear out, 50', let it clear out. Even with roto-caps on the tapits, it seemed we were grinding valves every other year. About 1967 we bought a 560 International. For once the tail wasn't wagging the dog!

Glenn

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NDS

02-15-2007 13:15:16




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 Re: What kind of forage harvester would fit a Farm in reply to IH Man, 02-15-2007 11:24:44  
Have hauled a lot of forage from chopper propelled and pulled by John Deere G the tractor handled chopper OK but as Hugh stated lack of live PTO was inconveniant at times. We did not pull wagon but drove trucks along under chopper and when one was loaded another would pull under with very little wasted time. Even without wagon G had all it wanted (do not mention this on this forum) and I have found G to have more power than M.

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Hugh MacKay

02-15-2007 12:17:53




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 Re: What kind of forage harvester would fit a Farm in reply to IH Man, 02-15-2007 11:24:44  
IH Man: You may as well throw that one to the wind, your H just isn't going to be worth a damn on a forage harvester. That was M work back in those days, and even then a lot of them used a harvester with it's own engine. You'll never find an engine driven harvester anymore. Forage harvesters were never very common before the days of live pto and even then it was always SMTA, 400, 450 or 560 and usually diesel.

My first harvester was a NH 717, and that one could take a 560 diesel right to 1st gear and low on TA. in haylage.

I suppose you could mount an engine to run the harvester, however by the time you got done spending money you may as well have bought a 560.

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Allan In NE

02-15-2007 13:58:32




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 Re: What kind of forage harvester would fit a Farm in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-15-2007 12:17:53  
You bet!

My dad used to chop with a one-row Gehl on the 560D. Just worked the snot out of that tractor.

Allan



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georgeky

02-15-2007 11:43:31




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 Re: What kind of forage harvester would fit a Farm in reply to IH Man, 02-15-2007 11:24:44  
IH Man,I dont know the answer to your question but I do know a forage harvester and wagon will be hard for a H to pull I am sure it has been done. I use to cut a lot of silage for myself and neighbors and to make any time it takes more HP than a H has. I have pulled a one row chopper with my M and its a good load on it after wagon gets loaded up some. It would be nice show piece though.



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