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Re: HELP !! 300 UTILITY

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Hugh MacKay

02-17-2007 18:44:18




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Tom: Based on discussion between you and Wardner, your tractor has to be equipped for transmission driven PTO. I am basing this on your discussion.

There have been several discussions about this lately. Are you one of the guys, I suggested tieing clutch pedal down. If you go to back of tractor, you should be able to see the shaft that PTO couples to. With clutch pedal down if you can turn that internal shaft the tractor is equipped for transmission driven PTO, if you can't turn the shaft tractor must be equipped for IPTO. There is no, "ands, iffs or butts on this one, and is not based on discussion, just cold hard facts."

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JayWalt

02-17-2007 18:54:47




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 Re: HELP !! 300 UTILITY in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-17-2007 18:44:18  
hugh, my tractor has a suffix for an ipto provision. From another post, I understood that not having a TA (which mine doesnt), forces me to use a tranny driven pto. If thats the case, why is there A "P" suffix which is supposed to indicate IPTO gearing for tractors without a TA, on my serial tag.

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Just trying to figure this mess out...

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D Slater

02-17-2007 19:03:27




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 Re: HELP !! 300 UTILITY in reply to JayWalt, 02-17-2007 18:54:47  
They could be had with live PTO and no T/A. Also with a T/A and no live PTO. Also no T/A and no live PTO.



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D Slater

02-17-2007 20:21:34




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 Re: HELP !! 300 UTILITY in reply to D Slater, 02-17-2007 19:03:27  
Jay,see if this is understandable. On tractors with no T/A or live pto power for pto goes through clutch shaft trans, input shaft, constant mesh gear and counter shaft which drives pto shaft. For live pto tractors power goes from pressure plate through a hollow shaft with gear made on shaft.(clutch shaft to drive trans or T/A goes through it) Gear on shaft drives a gear on shaft in lower center housing this is connected to another shaft that goes through hollow counter shaft then another shaft from there to pto. On tractors with a T/A and no live pto power to pto is much like live except instead of the hollow shaft and gear from pressure plate that turns whenever engine runs there's a solid shaft with gear made on it to turn lower pto gear. The solid shaft is powered from clutch plate and shaft is also connected to T/A input shaft. Reason they powered non live pto that way with a T/A is because if powered through transmission like no T/A tractors the pto would slow down with T/A in low. With live pto and no T/A power to transmission is same as no T/A and no live pto. Hope this is understandable.

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JayWalt

02-17-2007 21:31:15




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 Re: HELP !! 300 UTILITY in reply to D Slater, 02-17-2007 20:21:34  
i basically understood what the difference was before. Im saying I have no idea what mine has, heh...
Case-ih 's parts site is kinda nice, but its lacking serverely when it comes to how things go together. like is there a gasket between the hydraulic pump and the font plate on the engine, u look on the pump section, no gasket, u look on the engine section, no gasket. same with the pto, it just shows the pto itself, not how its driven... hehe
Iguess thats where a service manual comes in handy, or does it not have a proper exploded view either? I seen a service man at TSC, and like cars (particularly haynes), they are grouped together and doesnt show much of anything, pretty much worthless, but it was only 30$, so what can one expect..
I think this is my last post in this thread, as I've hijacked it enough... sorry =)

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JayWalt

02-17-2007 21:31:14




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 Re: HELP !! 300 UTILITY in reply to D Slater, 02-17-2007 20:21:34  
i basically understood what the difference was before. Im saying I have no idea what mine has, heh...
Case-ih 's parts site is kinda nice, but its lacking serverely when it comes to how things go together. like is there a gasket between the hydraulic pump and the font plate on the engine, u look on the pump section, no gasket, u look on the engine section, no gasket. same with the pto, it just shows the pto itself, not how its driven... hehe
Iguess thats where a service manual comes in handy, or does it not have a proper exploded view either? I seen a service man at TSC, and like cars (particularly haynes), they are grouped together and doesnt show much of anything, pretty much worthless, but it was only 30$, so what can one expect..
I think this is my last post in this thread, as I've hijacked it enough... sorry =)

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georgeky

02-17-2007 21:36:33




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 Re: HELP !! 300 UTILITY in reply to JayWalt, 02-17-2007 21:31:14  
Jay look at the transmission section it shows both shafts.



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georgeky

02-17-2007 19:02:38




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 Re: HELP !! 300 UTILITY in reply to JayWalt, 02-17-2007 18:54:47  
It does not matter whether it has TA or not. I have a 350 row crop with no TA, but it does have IPTO. I also have a 450 diesel that has TA and transmission driven PTO.



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