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Hydraulics not working on Super C

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TreeFarmer1414

06-26-2007 17:56:36




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My Super C with Fast Hitch was completely restored last year. After the restoration, the cylinder for the fast hitch leaked. It was taken off, new 0-rings installed, and replaced. Now none of the hydraulics will work. I have added about 1 1/2 pints of oil to the reservoir per the owner's manual. When you move the control lever for one of the rockshaft arms, you can tell the the pump is trying to pump. Moving the fast hitch control lever gives you nothing. I am sure that there is air in the system. Is this all or part of the problem? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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TreeFarmer1414

06-27-2007 04:46:55




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 Re: Hydraulics not working on Super C in reply to TreeFarmer1414, 06-26-2007 17:56:36  
Everything worked before the restoration. It was quite a chore to get the rockshaft arms touch control levers freed up; there was a lot of rust. So mechanicallly everything worked just like it should before the restoration. The fast hitch cylinder was not repaired before restoration; it didn't look like it was leaking. The only thing removed during the entire restoration process was the two hydraulic lines that run under the seat from the fast hitch cylinder to the block just in front of the seat mount. After restoration everything worked fine up to the time when the fast hitch cylinder was taken off for repair and replaced. I'll try getting it to work with the filler plug removed.

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El Toro

06-27-2007 08:07:55




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 Re: Hydraulics not working on Super C in reply to TreeFarmer1414, 06-27-2007 04:46:55  
You should install a pressure gauge and see what the pressure is. Hal



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Hugh MacKay

06-27-2007 03:52:18




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 Re: Hydraulics not working on Super C in reply to TreeFarmer1414, 06-26-2007 17:56:36  
Tree Farmer: You say Super C with fast hitch was completely restored last year. You don't say what hydraulic components were removed during the restoration other than the hitch lift cylinder. If that hitch lift cylinder is all the hydraulic components that were ever off the tractor then air in system is not your problem. In fact air will only become a problem if the pump has been removed.

The other matter you don't tell us, did the hydraulics work between restoration and hitch cylinder leak fix. Sequence of events is very important here to determine your problem. Did the rockshafts work between restoration and hitch cylinder fix? Did the hitch cylinder work? Two separate questions and we need two separate answers.

You may wonder what I'm driving at and why I want to know the sequence of events. Here is why, if hydraulics were working at some point and you removed the hitch cylinder for repair, reinstalled it and added 1-1/2 pints of oil, and never rechecked the reservoir, it may be lower now than before you added the oil, in fact the reservoir could be empty. It will require more than 1-1/2 pints to fill that lift cylinder. As CNKS told you hydraulic function will remove air as long as fill plug is out. Remember that air must be replaced with oil.

One other matter, if the pump was off at some point you may have an air lock. We had a guy few weeks back with this problem. Pump was installed dry. Soon as he worked some vasaline into pump gears it pulled oil along.

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CNKS

06-26-2007 19:38:40




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 Re: Hydraulics not working on Super C in reply to TreeFarmer1414, 06-26-2007 17:56:36  
The drain and refill capacity is 6.75 pints. If you had a dry reservoir, in other words overhauled, the capacity is 8.25 pints. In any event the reservoir is filled to the bottom of the filler opening, with all controls, including the fast hitch cylinder in the retracted position. Air is removed with the filler plug out, move the touch control levers 10-12 times through their full range of travel.

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RedNeckSuperC

06-26-2007 18:59:55




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 Re: Hydraulics not working on Super C in reply to TreeFarmer1414, 06-26-2007 17:56:36  
Check the oil in the motor
You might have the seal leaking in the pump and allowing oil to be pumped into the crankcase.
I have the pump off of my tractor right now because of that problem. No oil in the hydraulic res. a gallon too much in the motor.
Not too hard to fix IF you can find the right O ring fot the driven shaft.



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Ron-Mo

06-27-2007 08:44:20




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 Re: Hydraulics not working on Super C in reply to RedNeckSuperC, 06-26-2007 18:59:55  
That is a big IF on the o-ring on some of them. Mine had the o-ring, and I drove quite a distance to find a dealer who could find the right o-ring. None of the normal ones in any kits would fit that I could find. Finally after the 4th dealer and about 100 miles later I found a guy who knew his stuff on these old tractors and was not afraid to do a little work even though the oring was less than a couple of bucks. The first dealer actually tried to sell me a reman pump for about $600.

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