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Whats your favorite gasket sealer?,why?

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BIG RED 1

07-11-2007 07:13:32




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Vistited the archives looking for a little info and found some interesting stuff.
It would be neat with all the newer faces on hear to here there ideas?
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Owen Aaland

07-11-2007 19:46:09




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 Re: Whats your favorite gasket sealer?,why? in reply to BIG RED 1, 07-11-2007 07:13:32  
For paper and cork type gaskets I only use grease. It will keep the gaskets soft enough that they will conform to any irregularities in the surfaces so that they seal. Most cork gaskets are old enough when you get them that they will not seal unless they are softened up a bit. This can also be the case with paper gaskets. DO NOT OVER TIGHTEN THE BOLTS!!! That is main reason for failure for these types of gaskets. The gaskets are too hard to seal so you tighten them a bit more. You end up either splitting a cork gasket or distorting the mating surfaces on paper gaskets.

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GordoSD

07-11-2007 19:40:04




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 Re: Whats your favorite gasket sealer?,why? in reply to BIG RED 1, 07-11-2007 07:13:32  
My Hoda 4 wheeler deveoped a pretty good leak around the filter cover. Ever see aHonda engine leaking? Naw, that's a Harley thing. There's an O ring in there to stop any flow, replaced that but still had the leak. There is no gasket, again Honda engines are machined to incredible tolerances. Upon very close inspection there were some grinding marks on the body. Very unusual for Honda motor. Applied a VERY SMALL amount of Permatex Black hi-temp, no more leak.

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Bob Kerr

07-11-2007 19:32:12




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 Re: Whats your favorite gasket sealer?,why? in reply to BIG RED 1, 07-11-2007 07:13:32  
I almost never use RTV, unless I am working on some late model junk aluminum head car with an Iron block that the factory calls for the stuff. No need for it otherwise and when you see stuff oooze out like a blue or red worm when tightening, it is doing the same thing on the inside and that worm is just waiting to clog up oil passages or tubes in the radiator. The most important gasket sealer in your tool box should be a good scraper to get things VERY clean. I have also been known to use a file to dress up heavy machining marks. I was taught this my both my Dad and my Grandma on my Moms side. Yes Granny used to rebuild Dump truck engines when they had a gravel pit in the 30s and 40s. She said get the gasket surfaces clean enough to eat off of! Dad won a bet back in the 50s building a chevy 216 engine with NO gaskets or sealer! No leaks! it is all in the fit. He dressed the surfaces with files and carborundum stones. As for me I clean the heck out of the surfaces with the scraper and various solvents like lacquer thinner or alcohol and usually use no sealer of any kind, but if I do I use copper coat in the spray can and get nice and even coating. If I have bad pitting I use the copper coat on that too. I used aviation forma gasket on the knock out plug on the H trans for the reverse idler shaft. It is below oil level and I reused the old plug(but reworked it so it looked like a new one). I bought that small jar 25 years ago and it is still 3/4 full. Also when I do a head, I pull the studs and dress the block where the studs go into the block. Bolts are especially bad about acually raising up the cast iron around the hole and it can cause a problem. I guess I am picky but then again I only want to fix something once.

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Hobo,NC

07-11-2007 19:01:34




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 Re: Whats your favorite gasket sealer?,why? in reply to BIG RED 1, 07-11-2007 07:13:32  
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That's a loaded question and know one answer will cover all gaskets, when I started out in the trade mechanics in the shop used aluminum paint or enny paint, permatex sealers of the paste and liquid type and 3M 8001 glue. It still to this day grips my arse to see some one use grease on a gasket I spec cuzz I wuz the one that had to do the warranty werk to replace it after it failed cuzz the grease made the gasket separate. NO GREASE ON CORKE UBDERSTAND. RTV gasket sealers have their place, their are different types of RTV sealeras for different oils/grease/heat ranges sum good sum not. Pushed into a corner I would say the gray RTV suits most needs, or I would fight ya if you had a thought of take'n it away from me. hers a little run down on my experience

Everyone will have hiz preference and its what werks fer them. Once upon a time we only had liquid sealers and they werked and still werk. Then came paste type sealers and they werk and still werk, then specialized sealers and they werk and still werk. I have all types in the shop and they all have one thing in common they must have a clean surface to bond to. I like the gray or black silicon for most applications. The blue izz still around but old technology and it never did like oil and the clear did not either. One thing to consider izz does the gasket have enny thing to do with clearance as to how the part fits if so then a gasket izz needed to set the clearance. A oil pump cover needs the correct gasket to set the clearance so use a gasket. If no gasket izz required then the use of a sealer izz up to the installer.. Day to day I install, water pumps if they use a gasket I glue it to the pump with 3M 8001 yeller gorilla snot, and smear a lite coat of gray silicon to the face of the gasket that meets the block for insurance and iffin I replace the pump the gasket will not stick to the block . Sum pumps used today on newer cars don’t have a gasket and use silicon. If in a jam I would use silicon on a water pump if no gasket wuz on hand. If the pump cover were pitted I would use silicon to fill in the imperfections. On cork I only put sealer on the joints enny sealer added to the cork will make it slicker than snot on a door knob and cause the cork to squeezes out and break. Only glue cork to one surface (3M 8001) and seal the joints. If the cork does not seal of I don’t feel it will or I don’t want to take a chance I use gray silicon and no gasket. Everyone izz rite on what they told ya it werks fer them so you will have to try it. I have to warranty what I do so use what werks fer me and still git bit from time to time. there are 5 sealants that hang around my werk table all the time, #1) Permatex 599BR grey silicon, #2) Permatex High temp silicon, #3)Mopar AXLE -RTV, #4) Loctite 515 gasket eliminator (don’t use it much enny more) #5) Permatex aviation form a gasket, mite as well add copper coat that I use to use and now got back to use’in on some head gaskets. Sum brake clean to clean the surface a good razor blade in a tool holder to scrape with will git’er’ done. Clean bright and thigh applies her also.


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Honest Jon

07-12-2007 04:32:10




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 Re: Whats your favorite gasket sealer?,why? in reply to Hobo,NC, 07-11-2007 19:01:34  
If you lay the sealer on as thick as you do that folksy schtick you must go through a tube per gasket.



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Hobo,NC

07-12-2007 19:07:27




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 Re: Whats your favorite gasket sealer?,why? in reply to Honest Jon, 07-12-2007 04:32:10  
Just a guy who takes's pride in hiz werk, knows how to use sealers, kin seal it and make it last. Kin tell ya if its a leak'er b-4 you put the fire to it, I been wranch turn'n fer 30 plus years and have to pay fer my mistakes. My day job consist of werk'n on A to Z Info provided izz free so take it as you may I don't give refunds.



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Wild Bill

07-11-2007 13:30:08




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 Re: Whats your favorite gasket sealer?,why? in reply to BIG RED 1, 07-11-2007 07:13:32  
Silicon sealers are superior in everyway to paper gaskets, most importantly in longevity and flexibility. Do you think the tractor companys would have used rtv's and silicones if they had them 50 years ago?



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mark

07-11-2007 12:35:08




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 Re: Whats your favorite gasket sealer?,why? in reply to BIG RED 1, 07-11-2007 07:13:32  
folks tend to stick with what has worked for them. I still use Aviation FormaGasket....that old black stuff. Why? Because it works!



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russ hamm

07-11-2007 10:48:07




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 Re: Whats your favorite gasket sealer?,why? in reply to BIG RED 1, 07-11-2007 07:13:32  
I use a lot of hi-temp red silicone sealant. I know, like allan said, gasket sealer; who needs it? BUT i restore the old stuff, and many of you know what it takes to surface a block on a 22-36 for example. AND many of you have probably had a head gasket leak on a farmall or 10-20 engine from the thirties and twenties. If leaks are more original and i'm doing it wrong, so be it. LOL. I like the red silicone, it's done the job on pitted blocks and manifolds that others i suppose would have scrapped.

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the Unforgiven

07-11-2007 15:47:59




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 Re: Whats your favorite gasket sealer?,why? in reply to russ hamm, 07-11-2007 10:48:07  
Hey Russ, I've got some pretty good pitting between the middle ports on an F30 manifold, and I am a little apprehensive about milling it since the governor linkage is all cast and fairly rigid mounted, I do want to bind it up real bad, and it looks like it will take at least .040 to clean it up much. Have you used anything that will fill some gap and not burn out?



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russ hamm

07-12-2007 16:08:25




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 Re: Whats your favorite gasket sealer?,why? in reply to the Unforgiven, 07-11-2007 15:47:59  
Sorry unforgiven, didn't catch your post. BUT, bob nailed it with a better idea than i had, that's agoodun bob. I was thinking about another gasket, but the copper deal sounds great.



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Bob Kerr

07-11-2007 20:19:43




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 Re: Whats your favorite gasket sealer?,why? in reply to the Unforgiven, 07-11-2007 15:47:59  
Unforgiven, you might try this. at least mill the manifold straight and don't worry too much about the pits unless they still leave a gap. Take a sheet of copper and throw it in a fire to get red hot, then quickly quench it in water. Then cut a gasket out of that. Heating and queching copper like that makes it very soft (annealing). try not to bend it when cutting it out as it will work harden it. you can always throw it back in the fire if need be. I did that on some real old engine I was working on and it worked like a charm! The copper acually will flow into the pits when torqued down and nothing makes a better gasket than a single piece of soft copper. (And no on this one I didn't use any sealant what so ever)

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the Unforgiven

07-11-2007 20:31:23




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 Re: Whats your favorite gasket sealer?,why? in reply to Bob Kerr, 07-11-2007 20:19:43  
That is a really good idea Bob, I hadn't even considered that. That would allow me to face off the manifold and the head, and reclaim the amount milled off with a little thicker copper sheet, thus keeping my governor linkage lined up.



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Allan In NE

07-11-2007 10:38:09




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 Re: Whats your favorite gasket sealer?,why? in reply to BIG RED 1, 07-11-2007 07:13:32  
Could someone please give me one good purpose or reason for gasket sealer?

Other than making the next mechanic cuss?

Allan



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K.B.-826

07-11-2007 16:11:35




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 Re: Whats your favorite gasket sealer?,why? in reply to Allan In NE, 07-11-2007 10:38:09  
I can. Anything that seals coolant. Water pumps, thermostat housings, ect. I do agree that the use of sealants should be kept to a minimum, but when you're being paid to work on someone else's machine you need to be darn sure it isn't going to leak. Put those goofy old thermostat housings on an old Deere 404 with no silicone on the gaskets and I garuntee you it will seep.



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BF8690

07-11-2007 12:04:49




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 Re: Whats your favorite gasket sealer?,why? in reply to Allan In NE, 07-11-2007 10:38:09  
3M spray on contact cement. It seals gaskets but makes them easy to remove. They just peel off without tearing or scraping. A mechanic buddy of mine turned me on to it a few years back. It works like a champ.



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georgeky

07-11-2007 11:32:56




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 Re: Whats your favorite gasket sealer?,why? in reply to Allan In NE, 07-11-2007 10:38:09  
Allan, I wondered the same thing. No need for a gasket if you need red or blue stuff smeared all over it. I just use the grease to ,hold them in place sometimes.



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georgeky

07-11-2007 09:58:22




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 Re: Whats your favorite gasket sealer?,why? in reply to BIG RED 1, 07-11-2007 07:13:32  
For paper and cork gaskets I use lithium grease, mostly for sticking them in place. For head gaskets I use aluminum spray paint on each side. Never had one to leak yet. Grease and paint are usually on hand around here. No blue stuff for me.



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F-Dean

07-11-2007 17:14:45




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 Re: Whats your favorite gasket sealer?,why? in reply to georgeky, 07-11-2007 09:58:22  
AMEN! It is hard to beat plain old grease! Especially if you have to take it apart again to put the Widget in that you forgot!



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BillyinStoughton

07-11-2007 09:47:24




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 Re: Whats your favorite gasket sealer?,why? in reply to BIG RED 1, 07-11-2007 07:13:32  
For intake manifold gaskets and other metal impregnated gaskets, I've always had great luck with Kopper Koat...otherwise for water pump, thermostat, timing cover (etc.) gaskets...I still love the old blue Permatex.

It's all for nought if you still don't start with clean surfaces though!



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old

07-11-2007 09:44:04




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 Re: Whats your favorite gasket sealer?,why? in reply to BIG RED 1, 07-11-2007 07:13:32  
My self I use copper coat, thats what its made for and thats all I have ever used on a head gasket. I have a can of the stuff in my shop thats probably 20 plus years old and its still good



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LumbrJakMan

07-11-2007 09:41:12




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 Re: Whats your favorite gasket sealer?,why? in reply to BIG RED 1, 07-11-2007 07:13:32  
Well I did my first Motor Job on my 1953 farmall Super M 2 years ago, and she aint leaked a drop. My buddy who is a Mechanic asked me what I used . i told him Gasket Shellac. He cringed ... said It better not leak cuz its gonna be a pain getting it apart if it does. I wasnt shy with it either ..... I seem to remember saying to myself while using it ,,, darn this stuff is strong!!!



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