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Haveing MAG Trouble on MY A

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csmeyers

09-23-2007 16:26:14




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Well I have really messed thing up. My A has been setting for about two years in a damp garage; as a result I did not have any spark. I took the MAG off to see about fixing this problem; I have never messed with a MAG on a Farmall. I do not have a book so I went about this problem blind. What I ended up doing is removing the rotor drive gears and have them out if sync. I did this because I thought that the points were behind that plate. I have a great spark; the problem is I can't get that spark to the Plugs. I was hoping someone who has rebuilt these MAGS can send me a Diagram and instruction of how they go together. I am going to get a book for this tractor, I just need help now!
Thanks,

Corey

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Andy Motteberg

09-23-2007 18:56:58




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 Re: Haveing MAG Trouble on MY A in reply to csmeyers, 09-23-2007 16:26:14  
I timed the magneto on my H today. On the rotor drive gears, the smallest gear has a flat spot on one of the teeth, that tooth should line up with the R on the large gear. On my H, I had the oil pan off to replace the gasket, so I could see when it was on TDC while I had the oil pan off.



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El Toro

09-23-2007 17:14:39




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 Re: Haveing MAG Trouble on MY A in reply to csmeyers, 09-23-2007 16:26:14  
Did you make a note on where the rotor was pointing when you pulled the mag? If you didn't you have another problem with the mag not in time
with No1 piston. Those gears have an R & L and you need yours messed with the R.

To get your mag back in time you need to bring No1 piston to TDC on the compression stroke. Remove No1 plug near the radiator and hold your thumb over the plug hole while someone hand cranks the engine slowly until you feel compression against your thumb. Then drop a "large handle screwdriver" on top of the piston and watch it rise until it stops. Rotate the rotor to the No1 plug tower and install the mag. Hal
PS: Can you get a closeup picture of those gears? You can email a picture to me. Hal

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gene bender

09-23-2007 16:57:28




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 Re: Haveing MAG Trouble on MY A in reply to csmeyers, 09-23-2007 16:26:14  
Easy just turn the mag over till it goes to a hard stop then look an see if the rotor lines up with the cap tower going to a cycl. Just move the gear so the rotor will line up with a tower where the wire goes.



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csmeyers

09-23-2007 16:55:39




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 Re: Haveing MAG Trouble on MY A in reply to csmeyers, 09-23-2007 16:26:14  
I found a book link from another post...She sparks. What is the best way to set TDC W/O pulling the head?



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HENRY E NC

09-23-2007 20:16:15




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 Re: Haveing MAG Trouble on MY A in reply to csmeyers, 09-23-2007 16:55:39  
This io what I did---- Take plug from # 1, take valve cover off to see the rocker arms move, turn crank until the piston cpmes to top, you can see with a flashlight, also whn the rocker arms quit moving. then I got under the tractor and found the marks which are hard to find to confirm TDC. The install the mag with the rotor poiting to # 1, Top right facing the front. Took about 10 minutes and required a friend to help.

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El Toro

09-23-2007 17:19:53




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 Re: Haveing MAG Trouble on MY A in reply to csmeyers, 09-23-2007 16:55:39  
You never have to pull the head to time a mag or
distributor. If you follow the procedure in my other posting you should be at TDC on No1 plug.
Both valves on No1 cylinder should be closed too.
Hal



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ScottyHOMEy

09-23-2007 17:17:26




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 Re: Haveing MAG Trouble on MY A in reply to csmeyers, 09-23-2007 16:55:39  
You'll have to get underneath to get her exactly on TDC. But first, pull your coil wire on the mag or at least make sure the ignition is off.

Pull your #1 plug and have someone crank the engine slowly by hand until you start to feel the air blowing out by your finger as you stick it in the plug hole. Take a light and crank slowly until you see the #1 piston near the top through the hole for the plug. When it's close you can move it back and forth by hand with the fan blades.

Then crawl up underneath and look through the hole on the bottom of the bell-housing/torquetube. You may have to remove the cover which will likely be held in place by a wing nut. Look up and a little forward through that hole and you'll be looking at the bottom of the flywheel. It's often obscured by rust, but there is a fine line stamped into the flywheel, running front to back. If you have it all cleaned up it will also be marked TC1-4 near that line. If you've got the piston as close to top as you can eyeball it through the plug hole, you should be able to find the line near the bottom of the flywheel, even if it takes a little brushing to clean off the rust to find it.

Just ahead of all that, still looking up from underneath, is the backside of the cover on the lower half of the bell housing. There is an easy to see, very pronounced nub inside there on the back of that piece, about even with the edge of the flywheel. When the line on the flywheel is lined up with the center of that nub you're at TDC, and can get on about the business of timing your mag.

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Karl Hamson

09-23-2007 19:45:29




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 Re: Haveing MAG Trouble on MY A in reply to ScottyHOMEy, 09-23-2007 17:17:26  
I pulled the same stunt with my C trying to get at the points(did it later with the governor as well). I spent the best part of an afternoon crawling under the tractor with a flashlight, then out again to nudge the crank handle another degree or so. I never did find the timing mark.

I resorted to a piece of bent fence wire in the plug hole after the thumb in the hole routine. Much simpler, especially if you are by yourself.
Karl

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ScottyHOMEy

09-23-2007 19:59:15




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 Re: Haveing MAG Trouble on MY A in reply to Karl Hamson, 09-23-2007 19:45:29  
I can sympathize. That mark can be the very devil to find. And using a screwdriver, and/or wire and the eyeball works if you've got the experience under your belt.

That last little bit of getting it lined up, assuming you can find the mark, isn't so bad if you use the fan to move the engine.

Another trick is, once you've found TDC, to mark the front of the timing cover and the back of the crank pulley each with marks that line up at TDC. Lines with markers, paint dots, scratches in the paint, anything that will show you when she's at TDC, and all you have to do is make sure that you're on compression on #1 to use the marks and the fan blades to turn her into place.

I've made a habit (it's a lot easier if you have the tractor split and remember to do it - that last part about remembering is the tricky part) of cleaning up that mark and masking it off and painting it with a colot I can see when looking up into the dark.

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