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McCormick Baler Twine Intermittent Breaks One Side

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John Mannion

09-24-2007 05:46:31




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My McCormick Hay Baler breaks the twine on one side. It breaks about every third or fourth bale.




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GordoSD

09-25-2007 06:52:53




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 Re: McCormick Baler Twine Intermittent Breaks One Side in reply to John Mannion, 09-24-2007 05:46:31  
I am getting the picture that the bale is dropping on the ground with one good twine on it and the other is staying in the baler, wrapped around the billhook. Is this correct? If so:
Knots hanging on the billhook are caused by several different conditions. One, there may be too much tension on the billhook cam;loosen billhook cam adjusting screw. Two, rough billhook, smooth off with fine emery paper.
Three, Knife stripper not contacting back of bill hook. Bend it slightly to correct.
Four: Knife arm not traveling far enough; again bend to adjust. Five: Twine slipping out of twine holder while bale is being packed; increase tension on twine holder spring. Do you have a manual for the machine?

Gordo

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georgeky

09-24-2007 20:15:23




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 Re: McCormick Baler Twine Intermittent Breaks One Side in reply to John Mannion, 09-24-2007 05:46:31  
John, like Hugh mentioned IH has used several different knotters over the years and there is lots of differences in them. If you could post or send a pic we could determine witch knotters are on it. The older McCormick Deering knotters have a stripper arm that could need adjusting or may need less tension on the bill hook, or even dull twine knive. The newer all twine knotters don't have a stripper and the bale itself pulls the twine from the hook as it leaves the bale chamber. If it has all twine knotters it should be tieing a bow knot. Again hook tension, dull twine knives or a rough spot somewhere could be causing it.

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Hugh MacKay

09-24-2007 15:50:27




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 Re: McCormick Baler Twine Intermittent Breaks One Side in reply to John Mannion, 09-24-2007 05:46:31  
John: Which model of Mc Cormick baler do you have? Most of these guys have given you advice on newer IH balers. Since you said Mc Cormick, that tells me it's pre 1967, much older than the advice you received.



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BOBM25

09-24-2007 08:29:38




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 Re: McCormick Baler Twine Intermittent Breaks One Side in reply to John Mannion, 09-24-2007 05:46:31  
If everything is adjusted correctly, I'd say replace twine knifes. Our 435 had similar problems. Once those twine knives got dull, it would starting pulling knots apart like crazy.



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Bill in IL

09-24-2007 08:11:42




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 Re: McCormick Baler Twine Intermittent Breaks One Side in reply to John Mannion, 09-24-2007 05:46:31  
We used to have a 70"s model IH baler (can"t remember the model) that used to miss a few bales now and again but we switched to plastic twine for that baler and noticed a great inprovement over sisal twine.



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Nat 2

09-24-2007 07:50:52




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 Re: McCormick Baler Twine Intermittent Breaks One Side in reply to John Mannion, 09-24-2007 05:46:31  
That's pretty much normal for an IH baler with any time on it, IMHO. We went through two of 'em, a 430, and a 435. The 430 never worked right from the get-go, but Dad struggled with it for over 10 years anyway. Eventually it got so bad he gave up and bought the 435. The 435 was new and worked okay for a few years, but as it started to wear a little, it developed the exact same problems, constantly breaking the knot on one side.

We had the best baler guys from all over come and look at both balers, adjust, replace parts, adjust some more, adjust, adjust, adjust... These were guys that were supposedly so good that there was no such thing as a baler that they couldn't fix. Well, they couldn't fix either of these balers.

Neither baler spent a night at Dad's farm outdoors, never saw a drop of rain, were greased daily, were kept clean, and looked like new when he traded them in. It wasn't like they were abused.

He finally had enough, bought a late model New Holland at an auction, and never looked back. When the NH baler breaks a bale, the hay is too wet to bale.

The difference is that IH used one type of knotter, the McCormick design if I'm not mistaken, and ALL the other manufacturers use the Deering design. That should tell you something right there.

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georgeky

09-24-2007 20:19:56




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 Re: McCormick Baler Twine Intermittent Breaks One Side in reply to Nat 2, 09-24-2007 07:50:52  
Dad had a 430 in the 70's that only missed a bale when a splice in the twine came through. He baled many thousands of bales with it. I have had one for 10 years and it hardly ever misses a bale.When I got mine it seldom tied a bale, but after I put on new knives and adjusted everything it has worked fine since. Will lap my 276 NH in the field.



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Michael Soldan

09-24-2007 07:16:28




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 Re: McCormick Baler Twine Intermittent Breaks One Side in reply to John Mannion, 09-24-2007 05:46:31  
..and its new twine and not some old stuff?....



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John Mannion

09-24-2007 07:46:24




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 Re: McCormick Baler Twine Intermittent Breaks One Side in reply to Michael Soldan, 09-24-2007 07:16:28  
It is brand new twine. It is not releasing the knot from the knotter.



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Janicholson

09-24-2007 06:33:39




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 Re: McCormick Baler Twine Intermittent Breaks One Side in reply to John Mannion, 09-24-2007 05:46:31  
If it breaks at the Knot, look carefully at the knotter to inspect gripping force, cam wear, roller/follower wear, or cuttre dullness. Compare the two sides for operation. Hand roll the system slowly and trip the knotter while watching it tie.
If it is in the twine away from the knot, look to a bad roll of twine. Test some compared to the other roll to break point. Also the bales might be too tight, making the twine so tight it breaks. Worn twine guides can also dammage the strands causing failure. These are just l=places to look, as it is truely difficult to assess the problem if watching it in person. Keep your hands and clothing away from moving parts, "look, don't touch while running. JimN

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John Mannion

09-24-2007 07:47:24




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 Re: McCormick Baler Twine Intermittent Breaks One Side in reply to Janicholson, 09-24-2007 06:33:39  
It is not releasing the knot from the knotter.



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36 coupe

09-25-2007 03:23:32




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 Re: McCormick Baler Twine Intermittent Breaks One Side in reply to John Mannion, 09-24-2007 07:47:24  
The bill hook has to open to stretch the knot so the stripper can remove the knot.My old NH Had flat spots on the bronze roller on the bill hook.New billhook has a roller bearing.The old bronze roller would get stuck on the flat spot and slide in the groove.Run the knotter thru the tie cycle by hand and watch the bill hook.The twine doesnt break,its cut by the knife.You will find the knot hung up in the knife when the tie fails.

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Janicholson

09-24-2007 06:33:33




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 Re: McCormick Baler Twine Intermittent Breaks One Side in reply to John Mannion, 09-24-2007 05:46:31  
If it breaks at the Knot, look carefully at the knotter to inspect gripping force, cam wear, roller/follower wear, or cuttre dullness. Compare the two sides for operation. Hand roll the system slowly and trip the knotter while watching it tie.
If it is in the twine away from the knot, look to a bad roll of twine. Test some compared to the other roll to break point. Also the bales might be too tight, making the twine so tight it breaks. Worn twine guides can also dammage the strands causing failure. These are just l=places to look, as it is truely difficult to assess the problem if watching it in person. Keep your hands and clothing away from moving parts, "look, don't touch while running. JimN

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