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GordoSD

09-25-2007 19:39:42




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I just replaced the gasket on the right side engine cover plate on the SH. I had to remove the distributor and drive to do it. Drive shaft fell out while handling. Thought I got it back in same spot. After reinstall I am getting loud growl from starter moter after about 3 seconds of normal crank. As if the engine may be kicking back. I turned the engine with #1 plug out, got to compression stroke, notch in crank is close, set drive shaft to align pretty close with rotor at #1. I think I may be 20 to 30 derees off though. How to set the timing closer? It was running perfect prior to pulling the disributor.

Gordo

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Hugh MacKay

09-26-2007 02:47:53




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 Re: Timing Dist SH in reply to GordoSD, 09-25-2007 19:39:42  
Gordon: After you finish the advice CNKS is giving you, fine tune it by ear. I usually carry a 1/2" wrench with me on the first tractor work day. I may stop and adjust it 1/2 dozen times while working the tractor. Rarely does it take more than once or twice, those 4 cylinder gas Farmalls are very good at telling you when it's right.



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teddy52food

09-26-2007 05:46:04




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 Re: Timing Dist SH in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-26-2007 02:47:53  
Just don't try to hand crank start it. When you tune them by ear, you end up with the timing BTC.



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Hugh MacKay

09-26-2007 15:48:07




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 Re: Timing Dist SH in reply to teddy52food, 09-26-2007 05:46:04  
Teddy: I've been timing them by ear well over 50 years, never been kicked by one yet. I learned it from an old pro way back then.



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Owen Aaland

09-26-2007 10:00:21




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 Re: Timing Dist SH in reply to teddy52food, 09-26-2007 05:46:04  
Unless you are timing by ear with the tractor operating under FULL LOAD you will end up with the timing too far advanced. On a dyno you can load the engine and then advance the timing to maximum power. Then back it off a couple of degrees.

For maximum horse power you want the fuel burn to end at about 10 degrees ATDC. Higher compression and richer mixtures burn faster than low compression and leaner mixtures. At maximum throttle you get the most fuel charge into the cylinders so you will have maximum compression. As the governor closes the throttle from the full open position the compression will drop off and the time it takes the fuel to burn will be increased. Without a vacuum advance or some other means to advance the timing, you need to set the timing for maximum power at maximum advance at rated speed under full load. Then retard the timing until the power just starts to drop off. Under any other conditions the timing will not be optimal, but if it is advanced more you risk burning pistons and scoring sleeves. Newer engines with lighter pistons are more likey to suffer from this as their pistons are lighter and can't get rid of the heat as fast as the pistons in the old letter series.

Higher octane fuels can use more advance because they take longer to burn. However since you still want the fuel burn to end at 10 drgrees ATDC, advancing the timing will not necessarily give more horsepower because now more of the fuel burn is occuring BTDC.

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CNKS

09-25-2007 19:55:06




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 Re: Timing Dist SH in reply to GordoSD, 09-25-2007 19:39:42  
Your settings appear to be correct. After you get the distributer engaged, turn it back toward the block (counter-clockwise as viewed from the rear), then remove the coil wire from the distributer cap, hold it 1/4" from the terminal on the distributer and rotate the distributer clockwise until you get a spark. Be sure the timing notch on the crankshaft pulley is not past (After top center) the pointer.

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GordoSD

09-26-2007 07:44:36




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 Re: Timing Dist SH in reply to CNKS, 09-25-2007 19:55:06  
Alright guys! Went out there early this morning and reset the crank, turned the dist as advised and got the tiny yellow spark. Clamped her down and it fired off and ran like a watch on the first turn. Thanks for the help. BTW when you turn the dist clockwise, (fron driver's seat) is that advance or retard?

Gordon



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Bob M

09-26-2007 07:53:19




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 Re: Timing Dist SH in reply to GordoSD, 09-26-2007 07:44:36  
Gordon - turning the distibutor clockwise RETARDS the spark.



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