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SOP for Pull Starting a Tractor

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Brian Jensen

10-01-2007 19:43:26




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Can anyone tell me the Procedure for pull starting a tractor? It is a gas diesel, need to bypass the gas and start it on diesel any idea how long I need to pull it for and how exactly to pull it? Is it like roll starting a vehicle or do I need it to be in gear to build the heat in the engine?




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JT

10-02-2007 06:34:16




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 Re: SOP for Pull Starting a Tractor in reply to Brian Jensen, 10-01-2007 19:43:26  
As far as I know about this subject, you cannot pull it far enough to get enough heat in it to start a dual fuel tractor on diesel only. You have to have the engine running on gas and that will be the only way to build the heat in the engine needed to run it on diesel. Now, I may not be 100% correct, but from what I know about these tractors, this is the only way it will get enough heat to run a diesel engine.

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Andy Martin

10-02-2007 11:08:06




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 Re: SOP for Pull Starting a Tractor in reply to JT, 10-02-2007 06:34:16  
We've pulled them to start, when we had no gas, but it takes several tries with the compression lever. The tractor is not heavy enough to keep the engine spinning on diesel compression.

I routinely pull start my walk behind lawn mower, chain saw, and weed eater.



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F-Dean

10-02-2007 06:00:58




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 Re: SOP for Pull Starting a Tractor in reply to Brian Jensen, 10-01-2007 19:43:26  
Why not use the "Twisted Belt" method? It is easier and a lot, lot, lot safer!



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KEB

10-01-2007 21:34:42




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 Re: SOP for Pull Starting a Tractor in reply to Brian Jensen, 10-01-2007 19:43:26  
Go back to the basics. Check the ignition timing, its not likely you've got a bad cam gear if its got good compresssion, but the magneto gear doesn't drive anything else other than the magneto and hour meter. Pull the #1 spark plug, bring #1 cylinder up on compression (put your thumb over the spark plug hole to feel compression), check to make sure the magneto rotor is pointing at the right cylinder and the impulse trips just after top dead center.

If you have compression and ignition at the right time, then the only other problem can be fuel, either too lean or too rich. On my WD-6, you have to pull the choke all the way out and crank it over a couple turns before it'll even think about firing, then its easy to flood if you don't close the choke right away (needs a carb overhaul, as one of these days its not going to start at all).

If it occasionally puffs black smoke, its probably too rich and you'll have to overhaul the carburetor. If it acts like it wants to start with full choke, it may have a vacuum leak somewhere, or you need to overhaul the carburetor (notice the recurring theme). If it puffs white smoke, the diesel injection pump isn't shutting all the way off and is contaminating the fuel mixture with diesel, which will also keep it from firing properly (you do have the diesel throttle lever all the way towards the stop position, don't you?).

Good luck,

Keith

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Janicholson

10-01-2007 20:34:58




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 Re: SOP for Pull Starting a Tractor in reply to Brian Jensen, 10-01-2007 19:43:26  
The only reason we have not suggested slipped or damaged timing gears is because of the compression readings. Spark plug wires need to be (probably if the mag or distributor is in standard location and not botched up)
3-1
4-2
this is looking at the cap from the back of the tractor installed where it belongs. JimN



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KEB

10-01-2007 21:19:10




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 Re: SOP for Pull Starting a Tractor in reply to Janicholson, 10-01-2007 20:34:58  
Don't forget the magneto on one of these gas start diesels turns in the opposite direction of the magneto on a gas tractor.



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Brian Jensen

10-01-2007 21:03:31




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 Re: SOP for Pull Starting a Tractor in reply to Janicholson, 10-01-2007 20:34:58  
Ok, was just outside with the old girl (not my wife). Reversed wires 1 and 4 in case the timing was 180 out managed to almost burn my barn down with the fireball that came out. (Note - will be removing hay and straw stacks from the barn in any future attempts.) Put the wires back on the right way (1-3-2-4) and it cranks and chugs and sputters until I stop cranking the starter. In which case it just goes into shut off mode (It is really good at shut off mode). Put my hand over the air cleaner tube and felt incredible suction but it sounded as though there was an air leak somewhere, I know my hand does not provide a perfect seal but it sounded more like it was coming from around the intake manifold took the whole air cleaner pipe off and blocked the top of the intake manifold but could not hear any leaks.Every so often though I get a puff of exhaust out the air cleaner tube, this is not in any consistent manner it is more of an intermittent thing, I know for certain that I am getting fuel and fire but NO actual hard hitting ignition, on a scale of startability from 1-10 1 being dead in a ditch and 10 being running faithfully this tractor seems to be sitting at about an 8 where it tries really hard to start but is lacking some sort of gusto to complete the operation. Hopefully this is helpful information and it can help you REAL experts that were around when these tractors were being manufactured provide me who is maybe a little too young to have known these things the information I am looking for. I do appreciate ALL the help and helpful suggestions I have been getting but for all of you on here that have been helping me for nearly a year I am sure you all can appreciate my frustration. I really am mechanically apt I am just new to Antique tractors. Anyways enough rambling, look forward to the next flood of helpful suggestions.

Brian

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chuck46

10-01-2007 21:10:09




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 Re: SOP for Pull Starting a Tractor in reply to Brian Jensen, 10-01-2007 21:03:31  
Hi Brian, Do you realize it is normal for these to run with the choke at least half on? By the time they run with the choke mostly off they are ready to switch to diesel.



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chuck46

10-01-2007 20:18:11




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 Re: SOP for Pull Starting a Tractor in reply to Brian Jensen, 10-01-2007 19:43:26  
Hi, You would be much better off to put your effort into tuning the gas system. I have ran a MD 450D and WD9 for 50 years. There is nothing on them that cannot be easily fixed or replaced. If it is worth starting it's worth doing it right. Good luck, Chuck



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Brian Jensen

10-01-2007 23:46:01




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 Re: SOP for Pull Starting a Tractor in reply to chuck46, 10-01-2007 20:18:11  
Thanks Chuck for the insight, I managed to get it running briefly tonight see my other post (SHE RUNS!!!!) But I think I flooded it out so will retry in the morning also gonna see if I can get a carb kit locally. Thanks for the help.



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Janicholson

10-01-2007 20:05:02




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 Re: SOP for Pull Starting a Tractor in reply to Brian Jensen, 10-01-2007 19:43:26  
It could be as much as a half mile or more. Do not pull it faster in any gear than it would go in that gear, or it could damage the engine. Third gear at second gear speeds works. Make sure the clutch works correctly as well as having brakes. Use 3/4 on the speed control or more. White smoke means you are getting diesel fuel injected. No smoke no fuel.
Be sure the oil pressure is up, and go for it. JimN

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Brian Jensen

10-01-2007 20:15:13




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 Re: SOP for Pull Starting a Tractor in reply to Janicholson, 10-01-2007 20:05:02  
Other pull starting issue... Grapple is sitting on the ground and the tractor is backed into my barn, how can I get the grapple up?



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Brian Jensen

10-01-2007 20:09:27




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 Re: SOP for Pull Starting a Tractor in reply to Janicholson, 10-01-2007 20:05:02  
Well I am going to take a shot in the dark and see if this can get things loosened up and possibly kick its A$$ into running, I am so out of ideas and resources that I may actually have to part the old girl out. My wife has now officially taped the Divorce papers to the front grill. :( Do you have a copy of the page in the manual that explains valve adjustment by any chance?



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Janicholson

10-01-2007 20:24:26




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 Re: SOP for Pull Starting a Tractor in reply to Brian Jensen, 10-01-2007 20:09:27  
If it has a loader it means lifting the loader and chaining it so nothing will make it fall down.
See my other post for info on Valve adjustment. You will still need the specs, they should be found to the left in tune up guide. I also agree that patience is a virtue, and putting it back in the building not running is pretty hard to do. Getting it started on gas is the real ticket. JimN



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minnesota red

10-01-2007 19:49:27




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 Re: SOP for Pull Starting a Tractor in reply to Brian Jensen, 10-01-2007 19:43:26  
gonna have to build up the engine heat.
you will be at it for a bit.



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Brian Jensen

10-01-2007 20:04:10




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 Re: SOP for Pull Starting a Tractor in reply to minnesota red, 10-01-2007 19:49:27  
Would it need to be pulled while in gear to build the heat? Otherwise in Neutral only wheels would be turning not engine. Correct?



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minnesota red

10-02-2007 14:09:15




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 Re: SOP for Pull Starting a Tractor in reply to Brian Jensen, 10-01-2007 20:04:10  
in gear.



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