Whats Worth More SA or SC

I'm through reading your nonsence, why don't you try it on the rest.

The Super H and 300 both had the higher speed 4th gear and I agree that did make them much better getting a load moving and shifting to fifth.

You are also being misleading with your info. Farmalls C, H and M all received substancial hp increase when they changed to Supers, so much so that SC had almost as much hp as the H, SH had almost as much hp as the M. That however did not make them capable of delivering the performance of the larger tractor for 10,000 hours. You put your SC in field with an H on full load drawbar pull continuous and the SC will be toast in a fraction of the hours an H will go. If you want to make this comparison, lets compare letter series to letter series and Super letter to Super letter.

Like you, I'm not suggesting I put much value on a lot of these 20 hp tractors that fit in 6' high garage doors, however the folks are out there buying them and buying them for that reason, (Storage Space) They are also paying big bucks, pure supply and demand. Doesn't make it right in a farmer's eyes, but it works. Sometimes I'd like to have a larger tractor, in fact I'd like to have one full time, and my choice would be a 656D, however I no longer have any use for a 656D, nor am I going to find space to store it.

I've always said IH made engine mistakes. Number one the SC, 200 and 230 should have had the C-135 engine, it would have made a much better tractor for 3-4 mph steady lugging. Number two, the 460 should never have been built, kind of reminded one of a locomotive with a Volkswagon engine. Number three was 504, how IH ever figured a C-153 gasser was going to match the D-188 diesel is beyond me. The 504 diesel was a very durable tractor and the gasser was a disaster. Number four was the 706. The 282 diesel had worked well at 65 hp and 2000 rpm, and gave many years of trouble free service in 560 and 656. It did not enjoy the same success turning out 75 hp at 2300 rpm in the 706. To me the gasser must give 5,000 hours of trouble free servive between rebuilds and the diesel must go 10,000 hours, that is the true test of a tractor for guy wanting to make a living farming. My friend, those 4 tractors don't cut it, they don't even come close, although I will give SC best marks of the 4.

Secondly getting up to road gear with loaded silage wagons, lets compare a C to an H and a SC to a SH. The H, had a 4th that was just to slow for starting loads and going to 5th. You put your SC up against a SH or 300, and they will leave you in the dust. Remember the C didn't run away getting loads into road gear. So if you wish to compare Super to Super or 00 to 00 series your SC will not hold a candle to a SH. Talk about one man's opinion, your dad wouldn't buy and H based on the performance of one H.

There were a good many farms in my area with a Super A as the largest and only tractor. There were probably just as many farms with SC as the only tractor I had 3 uncles, each farmed roughly a 100 acres and each milked 20 cows. All 3 were one tractor farms. Two of them had SA and the other had a SC. Since they were neighbors and the guy with the SC had a loader they did get together for manure spreading. SC did the loading and the SA's did the hard work pulling manure spreaders.

Furthermore I was not suggesting the price was being driven by dealers use of a yard tractor. The folks that are driving the price of these little tractors are home owners with 1 to 10 acres, wanting the tractor for yard work, and they want to store it in a two car garage. Most two car garages I've seen, one would have to duck below steering wheel and remove the mufler from a SC. Those folks, my friend are the ones driving the price of 15 to 25 hp tractors, and yes they will spend money on anything low enough to go in that 2 car garage. I doubt if very many dealers across North America a using SC or 200 for yard work. More likely to be a 65hp 4x4 with loader that came in on trade.

Now if you want to come to Canada first big snowfall this winter with one of your C, SC, 200, etc. equiped with a factory snowblade, you got yourself a chalange. I'll lay a $100. on the line that at the ending of a prescribed time, I will have moved as much snow with my 130 as you will. LOL

When I was a teenager my dad had his snow blade on Farmall 300 narrow front. 130 got parked for the winter in those days. One day in the village at the feed store, we watched two guys pushing snow, one with SA and the other with SC. On the way home dad said, "I think we have our snow blade on the wrong tractor, that SA was making a fool of the SC." Yes, I believe it was partly operator. Now, I'm counting on the fact you Kentuckians have not had as much snow plowing experience as we Canadians. LOL

I can sit back and come up with all sorts of proclaimations that a certain tractor pulled an unusual load for it's size on any given day. However to me it is the tractor that can go those extra hours pulling that heavy load. I've driven them all, and the only tractor I ever had kill the engine on a drawbar pull in 1st gear was a Farmall 230 and it was working at factory hp. Just too much tire for that engine.

I suspect C, SC, 200 or 230 s will out sell the offsets in your tobacco country. That is not the case around here. An offset Farmall, Ford 8N, Fergie, etc. bring the big money, because they will go in mama's side of the two car garage. That is precisely why I have offsets, big enough for what I wish to do, and they require very small storage. I could say very easy on the pocket book, but so would a C, SC, 200 or 230 be easy on the pocket book doing what I do, just wouldn't fit in that small space.

If your looking for a 3 point kit to use along with fast hitch on that SA, send me an e mail. I'm in Strathroy ON.

JMO.

scotty