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Farmall H and M gear speeds

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W R Storm

10-06-2007 15:46:38




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I'm a green guy(JD) but I'm looking for a tractor cruse tractor. Was interested 4th and 5th gear speeds for H and M. Does the H have 36 " and the M have 38" standard wheel size?
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Wes




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Len Rahilly

10-10-2007 11:58:40




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 Re: Farmall H and M gear speeds in reply to W R Storm, 10-06-2007 15:46:38  
The standard tire on the H and M was 38". I have an original brochure that states 10-38 for H and 11-8 for M. I can't speak for the factory putting on 36" tires, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of the steel-wheeled tractors were converted to 36, because this was a very common tire size in the late 30s.
The F-20 usually had 36" rims on rubber, and I definitely remember F-12s with 36," point being that this was a commonly available tire. My father's 1938 F-12 came from the factor with 38" rears, and I do think that was the most common size for this tractor.

From my original IH brochure for H and M:

At 1650 full-load rpm for the H:
4th 5-3/8 mph 5th 15-5/8

At 1450 full-load rpm for the M:
4th 5-1/8 5th 16-1/4
The brochure does not give the tire size, and it does not actually state that the speeds given for gears 1-4 are on rubber. It does make it clear that fifth is available only on rubber (you probably know that fifth was "installed" just by turning out a little bolt in the transmission cover--when turned in, it blocked the shifter rail from moving forward into 5th!).
The no-load speed for H is 1815 rpm and for M is 1595 rpm. In both cases, this is 1.1 times the full-load speed. You can multiply the full-load ground speeds by 1.1 and probably come pretty close to the no-load speed.
What others say here about the huge gap between the gears is right. The H, especially, desperately needed another gear between 4 and 5. On a gravel road with a wagon-load of hay or grain, the tractor would not pull the load at 5 or 6 mph in fifth, and in fourth, you got under 6 mph with the engine roaring away like a race car.
Most of the tractors of that era were later re-tired with wider treads, for better traction, and there may be some slight variations in ground speeds because of that.

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r4etired

10-07-2007 08:20:22




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 Re: Farmall H and M gear speeds in reply to W R Storm, 10-06-2007 15:46:38  
I would look for one with a 9speed. M&W,Heisler and Behlen made them. M&W is by far the most common.They give you speeds of around 7-9 -11-13mph. They were built for both M's and H's.Very common in the midwest.



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Pat-CT

10-06-2007 18:50:30




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 Re: Farmall H and M gear speeds in reply to W R Storm, 10-06-2007 15:46:38  
my h for some reason is around 20 25 ish its beyond me on a flat road with a car behind me were average around 20 25 road speed its kind of scarry the front end bounce's some at full throttle on flat ground



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CNKS

10-06-2007 18:31:31




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 Re: Farmall H and M gear speeds in reply to W R Storm, 10-06-2007 15:46:38  
4th in the the H and M is about 5 1/8 mph, Super H and M about 6 1/2 with standard tires. 5th is 15 for the H, 16 for the M; Super series about 16 for both.



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D Slater

10-06-2007 19:17:59




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 Re: Farmall H and M gear speeds in reply to CNKS, 10-06-2007 18:31:31  
Funny thing about the speeds, most listings show the same speeds for say a M, even though tire size is listed anywhere from 11.25 X 36 to 13 X 38 rear rubber. Think the 5-1/8 4th is closest with 11 X 38 or 36 inch rubber.



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W R Storm

10-06-2007 17:40:25




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 Re: Farmall H and M gear speeds in reply to W R Storm, 10-06-2007 15:46:38  
Thanks for the information. I now will start looking for a Red tractor to buy anf fix up. It will be a good winter project.



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D Slater

10-06-2007 17:12:07




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 Re: Farmall H and M gear speeds in reply to W R Storm, 10-06-2007 15:46:38  
Tire size will make a differance, but most H and M with regular production fourth gear fall between 5-1/4 and 5-3/4 MPH with stock RPM. 5th around 16 MPH. M tractors not pulling anything will pull about any hill on a paved road in 5th. Growing up on a farm in WV and using a stock H tractor made for some slow trips to top of hills in fourth after engine luging down in 5th.



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georgeky

10-06-2007 16:13:25




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 Re: Farmall H and M gear speeds in reply to W R Storm, 10-06-2007 15:46:38  
A few H's had 36 inch wheels, but most have 38's on them. My M travels a little faster than my H, but I think it mostly because I have the M turning a few more RPM's. Either will cruise along pretty good. Lot of room between 4th and 5th on both models. Haven't gotten to use the H much, but the M will ease right up hills without needing 4th.



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