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Super A compression and oil burning question

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SteveNH

10-13-2007 19:40:41




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Hi. I recently picked up a 1948 Super A. It runs and starts OK but burns a lot of oil. New plugs get fouled very fast. I checked the compression and it is 115 psi per cylinder give or take a pound. Is this OK? or do I need to re-ring it? What else would cause excessive oil burning? Worn valves? Don"t want to ruin anything by running it. I need to get a new (readable) oil pressure gauge so I can check that. I changed the oil with ND-30, not sure what was running in it before, but it was sure dirty.

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SteveNH

10-15-2007 06:28:04




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 Re: Super A compression and oil burning question in reply to SteveNH, 10-13-2007 19:40:41  
Thanks for the Replies. It is blue smoke, mostly bad at idle, at higher RPM"s it doesn"t look as bad. I will run it for a while and change the oil a couple of times, I put Non Detergent 30 in when I brought it home, it always turned over freely so I am unsure of the condition of the oil rings. I am going to eventually order a 3 point hitch kit for it (Worksaver?) and put it to work around the yard. After my small projects are done I will take the engine apart and go through it.

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El Toro

10-15-2007 08:01:38




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 Re: Super A compression and oil burning question in reply to SteveNH, 10-15-2007 06:28:04  
You may need to work the engine such as pulling a moldboard plow. Just keep a close watch on the oil level. Hal



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Doc Larry

10-14-2007 04:42:04




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 Re: Super A compression and oil burning question in reply to SteveNH, 10-13-2007 19:40:41  
A lot of oil can get past the valve stem seals, but I don't know if this particular engine has valve seals. On most engines, valve seals can be replaced without pulling the head. If it's not the valve seals, you probably have oil ring problems as others suggest.
Detergent oil normally looks "dirty" in most engines that have much time on them, and doesn't normally mean anything. Like Hugh suggests, I would put in some good detergent oil and change the filter, and then I'd run it good and hard. If that doesn't do the trick, I like the penetrating oil suggestion.
Larry

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Hugh MacKay

10-14-2007 03:53:20




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 Re: Super A compression and oil burning question in reply to SteveNH, 10-13-2007 19:40:41  
Steve: That compression reading is good for a SA. I'm running a couple of those with lower compression. I suspect as DCW told you, there are stuck rings.

You say the engine is dirty and you recently bought the tractor. I take it, you don't know history use, last time engine rebuilt, oil being used, etc. Is that oil ND-30 a detergent oil? Personally I'd work it for 8-10 hours, drain it and add new oil and filter, and keep changing it every few days until it stays clean, but use detergent oil, it cleans them well and keep using it. Another item I've done for stuck rings is penetrating oil in the spark plug holes, let it set 3-4 days then crank the engine with plugs out to blow out any excess penetrating oil. Then fill it with new detergent motor oil and add a pint of STP motor job in a can.

I'm not saying this will be an end all solution. It can't hurt anything at this point, and you may get years of service from the tractor without a major overhaul. You may find yourself rebuilding the engine by this time next year.

I did this with my 130, 15 years ago, it still pulls as well as my SA or 140 and they are in excellent condition. Both very low hour tractors, however my 130 is not. It has been rebuilt twice and seen a lot of hard work. Several years since the cleanup my 130 has been used enough to burn 500 gallons of gas per year. I still use it to do all my nasty hard pull jobs, as I want to keep the other two well preserved.

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DCW

10-13-2007 19:54:40




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 Re: Super A compression and oil burning question in reply to SteveNH, 10-13-2007 19:40:41  
You may have good compression,but that doesn't mean that the oil rings are good,you may have one or more stuck or broken.You may have excessively worn valve guides.Running it that way won't hurt it,but it will likely need to come apart.It won't work right if its quickly fouling plugs.

I'm unsure if 115 is out of range for compression,if it is,its just out of range.Does it blue smoke,maybe its fouling plugs because its too rich.

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