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EZ

10-18-2007 16:48:52




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Hi all,

I have my 130 rear wheels jacked up off the floor. I put the tractor in gear and am still able to turn the wheels. The shaft does not appear to be moving at all. Should the wheels not be difficult to turn as it should be trying to turn the engine as well? There were some noises coming from somewhere when I was driving it around before backing it into the shop. Any ideas welcome.




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williamf

10-19-2007 02:41:57




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 Re: 130 in Gear in reply to EZ, 10-18-2007 16:48:52  
With both wheel off the floor they should turn easily even in gear.



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Hugh MacKay

10-19-2007 02:55:14




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 Re: 130 in Gear in reply to williamf, 10-19-2007 02:41:57  
william: Right, but not in same direction at same time. I have a feeling Ed knows this, he's not a novice, and he's not old enough to be loosing his memory, although I must admit he usually does give much better descriptions than this.



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Hugh MacKay

10-19-2007 02:00:58




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 Re: 130 in Gear in reply to EZ, 10-18-2007 16:48:52  
Ed: You mentioned this noise in your recent e mail, now it's process of elimination. Is what your finding the same in all gears? When you say shaft is not turning at all, which shaft, you've lost me? As you jacked each rear wheel, did you notice any movement of axle in relation to final drive housing? That would indicate axle bearing problems. With tractor out of gear and rear wheels jacked, do you hear any noise as you turn wheels, if so which wheel? Gears breaking up within final drives usually result in breaking cast final drive housing or poking a hole in the sump pan.

My next move would be anchor tractor solidly with rear wheels jacked, preferably outside. Hitch it drawbar to drawbar with another vehicle so it can't vibrate off jacks. Have it on 6x6 blocking would be better. Start the tractor and run it in 1st gear, then get out the old broom handle, and with ear at one end, place broom handle at various places on cast drive line until you zero in on where noise is coming from. Try it with one wheel brake allpied, then the other. Possibly try reverse or higher forward gears. Especially on cast the broom handle should pin point exactly where the noise is.

As I see it this noise is the source of the problem, and it could be anywhere from final drive through to clutch disc. Could be center broke out of clutch disc, it might be catching enough to move empty tractor. Could be in transmission, differential or final drives. I'm sure you will find the problem with the broom handle, or if you feel so inclined go to an auto parts store and buy one of those mechanic stethescopes.

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EZ

10-19-2007 05:10:18




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 Re: 130 in Gear in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-19-2007 02:00:58  
I have been having a debate with a couple buddies who say that I should not be able to turn those wheels with the tractor in gear and the rears lifted up off the floor. In fact though, that is the case. As Hugh mentions, the wheels will rotate in opposite directions. Do I have a problem? I"m not sure. My buddies are saying "You should not be able to spin the tires by hand when the tractor is in gear because you will be trying to turn over the engine as well"

I may still be an old novice, also may even be losing memory, I can"t remember.

As for that noise, well I don"t hear anything untoward while spinning the wheels in neutral, or in gear, sounds good. I may try running it like you suggest with the wheels jacked and see what"s up.

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Hugh MacKay

10-19-2007 05:50:15




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 Re: 130 in Gear in reply to EZ, 10-19-2007 05:10:18  
Ed: Think about what you said, then read what I'm saying here. All tractors unless the differential lock is engaged, which your 130 doesn't have, when both rears are jacked, tractor in gear, the rear wheels will spin in opposite directions by means of differential gears. If this is what is happening, you have nothing wrong except your noise.

Now, get the broom handle out and listen for your noise, very likely something minor that could get worse. I jack my tractors once per year and do this listening for noises I've not heard yet just driving and being around tractor.

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