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ih 656 weak transmission

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andrew stegman

10-19-2007 05:14:35




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hello, i am considering buying a 656 ih hydro diesel and had some questions regarding the reliability of these tractors. Im not sure of the hours but I do know that it has not been run in 4 or more years and the fellow said that the reason they parked it is because the hydro was getting weak im a mechanic so taking it apart isnt a problem but are there places aftermarket or otherwise that i can get parts from?
service manuals?
anyone know how much one should be worth in this condition?
also how do you think this would compare with a 825 belarus mfwd that is the other option i am considering
thanks
andrew stegman

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Hugh MacKay

10-20-2007 03:47:14




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 Re: ih 656 weak transmission in reply to andrew stegman, 10-19-2007 05:14:35  
Andrew: I'd run the other way, and fast. One must remember why hydro transmissions were developed in the first place. At that time I was farming, running 9 relatively new tractors. I looked at hydro more than once. My IH dealer through other dealers lined up appointments with users to look at the pros and cons of hydro. Most of the farmers I visited were vegetable farmers with both gear and hydro transmission drive tractors of the same model, and further most were potato farmers.

Here was the advice I got in the late 60s and early 70s. If you have precission work requiring infinate variable speeds, buy a hydro, but plan to keep it 30 years and not do any heavy drawbar or shuttle work with it. Potato farmers wanted hydro because of harvesters that saw potatoes on endless conveyor chains close to 40' in total. this was a far cry from the old two row digger with 10' of conveyor chain. The hydro made it possible to regulate the speed so the harvester nicely got rid of all soil as the potatoes reached the truck box. That soil created a cushion for the crop. With hydro they could reduce the losses from bruising up to 30%. That my friend paid them handsomely to have a hydro sitting around to do nothing but run the harvester, maybe planter and sprayer. Most other vegetable crops were developing harvesters that required hydro with it's infinately variable speeds to give them optimum production and quality product. At that time I walked away from hydro as most of my uses were haying or loader work.

Give me a good working 656 gear drive and at the end of the day I will have baled as much hay, as the good working 656 hydro using the same baler. If front end loader work is your thing, there are shuttle shift tractors around that will give you many more years of trouble free service than hydro, and just as fast as hydro. Plain and simple hydro is a precission machine and haying and loader work are not precission jobs. Bear in mind, I treat farming as a business to make money, rather than a way of life.

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Nebraska Cowman

10-19-2007 05:46:30




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 Re: ih 656 weak transmission in reply to andrew stegman, 10-19-2007 05:14:35  
I found rebilt Hydro units online for $3600 so I guess it depends what he wants for the tractor and how much you want in it when you are done. Also depends what you want the tractor for. Hydros are wonderfull for haying and loader work but I don't like one for tillage and heavy pulling.



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Allan In NE

10-19-2007 05:58:35




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 Re: ih 656 weak transmission in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 10-19-2007 05:46:30  
Cowman's got it.

Just be careful.

The early 656 Hydros were the weakest of the bunch and were later updated to a stronger box in later models.

Gonna cost you $lK minimum (parts only) for a tune-up or in the event of the worst case, maybe even a new tranny.

Allan



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Dave from MN

10-19-2007 06:02:59




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 Re: ih 656 weak transmission in reply to Allan In NE, 10-19-2007 05:58:35  
What year did they start making the hydros?b My 544 is a 1970(same as me)>



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Dave from MN

10-19-2007 06:02:59




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 Re: ih 656 weak transmission in reply to Allan In NE, 10-19-2007 05:58:35  
What year did they start making the hydros?b My 544 is a 1970(same as me)>



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Allan In NE

10-19-2007 06:23:41




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 Re: ih 656 weak transmission in reply to Dave from MN, 10-19-2007 06:02:59  
Can't remember.

Had to have been late '69 or '70, wasn't it?

Allan



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