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Mike CA

10-24-2007 10:07:12




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I'm bored with paperwork at work today, so my mind is wandering. Even though I'm a few weeks away (I hope no more) from the faithful event of driving my H for the first time, I was thinking to myself today...

I haven't actually driven a Farmall on my own... ever! I drove an M last fall. I should say I let out the clutch and I steered it around the farm. But that certainly doesn't mean I know anything about how to properly, or safely operate this tractor of mine. So I'll ask a couple of questions that come to mind. I won't be doing any farming with it. The heaviest thing I plan on pulling is a trailer filled with people in a parade.... which may be pretty heavy, come to think of it. But for now, lets just deal with the tractor alone in my neighborhood.

- What gear do I start out in?
- How do I shift gears while driving? Like up to 5th gear?

uhhhh... well, that's all I can think of right now. third party image

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LenNH

10-29-2007 14:01:32




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 Re: Driving class in reply to Mike CA, 10-24-2007 10:07:12  
When my wife does something better than I do, I say, "You're a better man than I am." Well, I'd say the same thing for shifting these old tractors on-the-go. They were designed to be shifted when stopped. You chose the gear you were going to work in (say, second for plowing) and went with that. With a car or truck, you have time to hesitate going up, or double-clutch going down, but with a tractor, it will almost stop before you can do all that. I tried this once or twice, but thought it sounded real expensive, as in "the sound of busted teeth."

IH didn't do their homework on that too-high-speed fifth gear, in my opinion. It is almost useless on a rough road with a heavy wagon behind. The engine is at idle at around 5 mph, and there is not enough torque to pull a load at this speed, which is about where the washboard begins to make your load start to shimmy up and down. This tractor desperately needed another gear in between (like JD's and some Olivers in the late 30s and through the 40s). I think the engineers saw a quick and maybe cheap solution (1939 was still in the Depression). Fifth is straight-through via a dog-clutch, just like a 3-speed car tranny in third gear. No expensive gears needed. But the gap between 4th and 5th is enormous if you try to synchronize the gear speeds enough to shift on-the-go.

The steering gear on these tractors will develop wear after 60 or 70 years, and then they will shimmy when they get up near the top in road gear. Don't know if it's dangerous, but I don't like it and I slow down until the shimmy stops.
Brakes on an H are weak (external contracting, like on the cars of the 20s!!!!). I wouldn't trust them at high speeds with a wagon load of people.
High center of gravity on tractors like this. Decals on new tractors warned against high-speed turns--danger of tipping over--you usually don't walk out from under a tractor that falls on you.
Make sure your brakes are adjusted so they pull evenly when locked together, and ALWAYS lock them together when traveling in 5th gear.

A better speed for hayrides, I think, would be
maybe 7-8 mph, and that is difficult to get with this tractor and a load behind it. If you are lucky enough to have one of the few H's with the factory-optional 7 mph fourth gear, you're in better shape.

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F-Dean

10-25-2007 05:53:57




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 Re: Driving class in reply to Mike CA, 10-24-2007 10:07:12  
When shifting on the go, double-clutching makes it a lot easier and smoother.



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Mike CA

10-24-2007 21:17:40




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 Re: Driving class in reply to Mike CA, 10-24-2007 10:07:12  
Does the driver have to be sober? I don't know if I can handle all those screaming kids without a 5th of Jack in me. third party image



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Farmer Bob

10-24-2007 20:59:01




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 Re: Driving class in reply to Mike CA, 10-24-2007 10:07:12  
All have great inputs...one thing about adding riders on a hayrack behind you - At the least, have a railing or slatted sides on all four sides of the hayrack. The ingress and egress for passengers should be at the back end of the hayrack with railings to assist those who have troubles climbing. It's best to have two rows of hay/straw bales in the center of the bed running fore and aft for folks to sit down on. No matter what age your passengers are, I recommend at least one sober and competent adult be on the trailer to watch for safety issues. Kids will be kids and some adults can act up just as bad. Unless you have eyes in the back of your head, you have to rely on the "Wagonmaster" to be your eyes behind you while you are concentrating on driving the tractor. Don't be tempted to give in to the dear little ones that will hound you to "Go faster". Also don't forget your "Slow moving Vehicle" signs.

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gmd

10-24-2007 18:07:12




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 Re: Driving class in reply to Mike CA, 10-24-2007 10:07:12  
like others said

GET COMFORTABLE!!!!! !!!!! !!!! If you do hayrides you MUST be able to react to every possible scenario quickly safely and just about perfectly the first time. When you have riders (especially strangers) you dont get to have do-overs and the lawyers will get involved. Also, the first thing i tell every inexperienced operator is if youre not sure slam the clutch and brakes through the floor. Stop that thing immediately(when by yourself you know, no wagon or anything). When you stop you can evaluate your situation, what happened what you are going to do etc. Its much easier to make a good decision from a stop than when moving. There are certain situations where you need to move out of danger but for the majority you should stop and evaluate. hope this helps.

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Mike CA

10-24-2007 15:35:21




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 Re: Driving class in reply to Mike CA, 10-24-2007 10:07:12  
Two events I forsee doing a hayride for:

1) Command picnic. On base, during the day, around the base trails and neighborhoods.

2) My son's school fall fair. On school grounds.
But good advice regardless. "You can't be too careful" are words to live by.



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sgtbull

10-24-2007 14:18:01




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 Re: Driving class in reply to Mike CA, 10-24-2007 10:07:12  
Mike, Just a little suggestion. Its a short step from a parade to a hayride. They are just too much fun not to have. I have a couple of hayrides a year for my 4 kids, but have the good fortune to be able to go nearly 4 miles on wooded trails w/ no worry of getting plowed by another driver. If you don't have an area like that, consider this: Most hayrides are held on weekends.. Friday and Saturday nights so the kids don't have school the next morning. Friday and Saturday nights are also "party nights" for a lot of people who take the backroads home to avoid the police. I'm sure you see where I'm going with this, so suffice it to say, you need LOTS of lighting on the rear, and preferably, an escort vehicle behind.... and its not a bad idea in the front either. I've been a State police officer for over 20 yrs, and have worked a few hayride accidents. Unfortunately, in each of them, there were multiple fatalities. And later, BIG lawsuits. Even the wagon owner, who merely loaned the wagon to a friend for the ride, was sued. You can't be too careful with that sort of event. As a sidenote, if you DO have wooded trails to drive on, DON'T let the kids dangle their legs off the side. You misjudge a turn and get too close to a tree, well, you see where that goes too. I had one close call, even though I had really harped on keeping the legs in... its hard to watch them full time, and as another poster said, have at least one adult on the wagon... two is better. Old tractor/wagon hayrides/parades are wonderful, memorable events for kids and adults. Don't let it be a BAD memory.

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Bob M

10-24-2007 12:21:31




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 Re: Driving class in reply to Mike CA, 10-24-2007 10:07:12  
For parading, hayride, etc 3rd or 4th with the engine just above a slow idle gives about the right speed. It makes it easier to execute a smooth start (by slipping the clutch a bit) than running in the lower gears. Also it makes minor speed adjustment using the throttle less jerky for passengers.

Don’t even consider using 5th gear – it’s a transport gear and is WAY too fast for use safely in close quarters or with people in a wagon behind you!

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SAFETY TIPS:

1 - If you’re gonna pull a wagon filled with people make sure your brakes are in tip top shape!

Remember - your tractor’s brakes are marginal for stopping the tractor by itself. Now hook 2 – 3 tons of wagon + people on behind. Executing a quick stop from even walking speed can be a harrowing experience if your brakes are not perfect. And it will be downright terrifying if you’re descending any kind of a grade.

2 - If you’re carrying kids/teenagers on the hayride, it’s HIGHLY recommended a responsible adult be on board the wagon to serve as a 2nd set of eyes and ears behind you.

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El Toro

10-24-2007 13:16:19




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 Re: Driving class in reply to Bob M, 10-24-2007 12:21:31  
Hi Bob, I think No3 should be is to get good insurance coverage. Hal



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Bob M

10-25-2007 05:14:45




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 Re: Driving class in reply to El Toro, 10-24-2007 13:16:19  
Exellent point Hal!

I pull hayrides only at a friend's Christmas tree farm (covered by their business liability insurance), and at our annual antique tractor show (covered by the club's insurance).



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El Toro

10-25-2007 06:51:38




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 Re: Driving class in reply to Bob M, 10-25-2007 05:14:45  
To many people looking to make a buck by hook or crook. Hal



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jpl

10-24-2007 12:15:41




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 Re: Driving class in reply to Mike CA, 10-24-2007 10:07:12  
mike, remember in faster gears dont make sharp turns as you can turn over easy, make sure your brakes have the latch connected so they both work at same time. make darn sure they both brake evenly with each other. watch your speed with wagon as all weight in back. be careful and have a good time.



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T_Bone

10-24-2007 11:35:45




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 Re: Driving class in reply to Mike CA, 10-24-2007 10:07:12  
Hi Mike,

Remember your cargo is people, slower is always best. Use your throttle to adjust road speed with smooth slow movements on the clutch and brake. I would think 3rd gear would be a good start or maybe 4th, as 5th gear your asking for problems no matter how careful you are.

Movement on the trailer will be 10 times worse than felt movement on the tractor. Mirrors are a must have or even a person with a 2way radio to help you.

Parades is just like bumper to bumper traffic. Just wait a few seconds and you'll soon catch up with the pack.

T_Bone

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ScottyHOMEy

10-24-2007 11:05:26




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 Re: Driving class in reply to Mike CA, 10-24-2007 10:07:12  
Amen to all that was said below.

Your tranny is not synched, so shifting up (or down) through the gears (though it can be done) is not to be preferred. I shift through the gears on my Ram without clutching pretty regularly when I don't have a load on her, but then Dodge gave me a foot-feed for the CUmmins instead of a hand throttle, so I can shift, drop the RPMs and still have a hand on the wheel. Your H doesn't offer that convenience.

Drive it some (actually, I'd say a good bit) and get used to what it goes in each gear before you try hauling a wagon load of people. That's a BIG responsibility.

But in driving it, you'll learn what kind of speeds she'll make in each gear.

Road gear? So it's 11 or 12 mph. Makin' that kind of "speed" sittin' in the open air with your head eight feet off the ground on a vehicle with no springs, you'll feel like a hound with his head hangin' out the window of a pickup doin' 60. It's made for speed, not hauling heavy loads, and will surprise you when you first try it. You want to start out one notch above idle, and that will get you going as fast as full-bore in any gear other gear you have.

First time I tried it, I'd taken a couple of borrowed hay wagons back to a neighbor, and was bobtailin' back. Figured Grandpa couldn't see me so why not try it. I was amazed how much faster it was. Took me a short piece of road to finally idle it down and take off. Throttled it up once I got goin' and the front end would lift comin' off a yes ma'am in the road. I was twelve and learned that day about the pucker factor. All good fun, and I got home safely. Point is, road gear has its use but is not to be trifled with and is certailnly not a good idea for haulin' people behind.

Haulin' a hay wagon full of people, first or second will be your gear, dependin' on how crowded the grounds are.

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Mike CA

10-24-2007 10:34:03




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 Re: Driving class in reply to Mike CA, 10-24-2007 10:07:12  

Dave BN said: I would start off in 1st gear the first time.


It's an X6 tractor. Which means low gears. I'm not sure if that means every gear is lower, or just first. I just don't want to do wheelies on my first day is all.



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John M

10-24-2007 13:57:53




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 Re: Driving class in reply to Mike CA, 10-24-2007 10:34:03  
Mike be very, very careful with those low speed gears, alot more grunt to it. Youll be doing those wheelies.(Dont ask how I know)



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Andy in Beloit

10-24-2007 10:25:24




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 Re: Driving class in reply to Mike CA, 10-24-2007 10:07:12  
Mike,-Its not like an auto trans, you select a gear in respect to what speed you want to go and how much load your pulling. i.e. empty and pulling onto a hwy your H should have enough torque to start in 5th and add throttle. if you have a load you probable don't want to go higher than 4th for their sake and high speeds can be hard on running gear over unfinished surfaces. Use common sence and don't go faster than you feel comfortable. Some practice and you'll get a feel for your machine and it will talk to you and you'll be able to hear/feel it.

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Andy in Beloit

10-24-2007 10:38:41




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 Re: Driving class in reply to Andy in Beloit, 10-24-2007 10:25:24  
As far as shifting "on the go" my cousin swears by a method of 1) clutch, 2) full or near full throttle, 3) shift. Its alot of feel, he explains, how much throttle, how much clutch and a feel for the shifter. He says he's used the same system on farmall from letter srs. to 66 srs. It took me several hrs to get the hang of it but he can shift like hes going though an auto trans (1000's of hours on a tractor he says)

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Dave BN

10-24-2007 10:23:05




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 Re: Driving class in reply to Mike CA, 10-24-2007 10:07:12  
I would start off in 1st gear the first time. Generally speaking on a tractor you start off in whatever gear your going to use. You don't shift up or down like in a car or truck. The gears in your transmission are not synchromesh and you will grind them if you try to shift when not completely stopped. It is possible to shif but it takes a lot of practice. You will most likely have to hold down the clutch for a few seconds before shifting the first time. Let the tractor warm up for a few minutes before driving and start out with the engine just above idle speed. Be sure to have plenty of clear space ahead or behind you depending on wich direction you will head. Keep kids and pets clear. Remember to hit the kill switch if anything goes wrong. I'd consider having a more experienced operator around if possible. Dave.

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glennster

10-24-2007 10:20:48




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 Re: Driving class in reply to Mike CA, 10-24-2007 10:07:12  
mike, pick a gear, slide er in easy the clutch out and go. you dont shift it like a car. not a whole lot of speed difference from 1-4, but when you go to 5th, its a big jump.if you are doin hay rack rides, i use 2nd gear. 1st is pretty jerky to start, 2nd gives a smooth start, and especially if kids are on the rack, you dont want them to fall off.



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HENRY E NC

10-24-2007 21:28:23




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 Re: Driving class in reply to glennster, 10-24-2007 10:20:48  
I havent done a hayride for 50 years but i HAVE DONE SOME PARADES and I always recommend starting in 2nd or 3rd shifting to 4th. Less jerky starts and easier to keep up. 1st gear is a waste as it is strictly for power. When I teach my grandchildren to drive the M I always start them in 2nd and tell them to slip the clutch,. Also for shifting on the go, I can do it from 4th to 5th very well but below that I grind a small amount. Be sure to pause in neutral for a short time. The speeds on the H are 1, 2 5/8 mph, 2, 3 mph, 3, 41/4 mph 4,,5 3/8 5, 15 5/8 with 10-38 tires. Larger tires will increase the speed proportionally. My M does 18.0 with 15.5 tires but book calls for 15 5/8 with 12.8 tires.

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