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mta propane - Rare?

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Ray Gosnell

10-31-2007 18:54:31

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Am considering buying a super mta propane tractor- How rare is this tractor? Are the propane mta reliable and desirable

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Harold H

11-02-2007 18:14:21

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Re: mta propane - Rare? in reply to Ray Gosnell, 10-31-2007 18:54:31

LP tractors were the most popular fuel in the Delta at that time. I always assumed LP was added at the Farmall Works. If not IHC would have had to ship the tractors to Texas and then back to the Farmall works because all of the LP tractors received in the Delta came directly from the Farmall Works. In Greenville they came by rail routed: CB&Q-SL&SF-C&G.

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D Slater

11-03-2007 18:57:31

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Re: mta propane - Rare? in reply to Harold H, 11-02-2007 18:14:21

Harold there,s a big question mark to me on SM tractors serial # 60001 up or SMTA series. Factory LP parts are showed in parts books for SM below 60001 and showed for 400 series tractors. One example is hoods, different hoods are shown for SM and 400 LP than hoods with other fuels. The hoods on most SMTA LP tractors are cut or shortened at rear. No where have I found a IH part # showed for a SMTA hood and other parts that would have been different than other fueled SMTA tractors. Have you or anyone? To me its one of those things that I wish I had more answers to. One other thing there's IH attachment memos on the release of regular SM LP attachments. Never found one on a SMTA. That don't mean there's not though. Were any SMTA LP assembled at IH factory unless experimental, I don't have prof enough one way or other to say.

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Stew Holliday

11-01-2007 05:34:43

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Re: mta propane - Rare? in reply to Ray Gosnell, 10-31-2007 18:54:31

Hey Ray, My thoughts on a MTA l/p is that they are factory because if you wanted a mta lp from factory you could order one.Just like a Super M lp.The one I have I bought from the orgnial owner and he ordered it that way from IH. Also in 54 they turned the tank long ways and stayed that way from 54 to 58 on the 450s. All the same parts on that mta is also the same from the 52 Super M lps to the 58 450 lps. The gas tanks also are the same, from Lub, Tx. O one more thing is that if your S# has a C on the end of it ,LIKE MINE that also tells me that they made them. If you send me your Email I will send you some pictures of mine. Good luck with yours. Stew in AZ

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D Slater

11-01-2007 14:13:08

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Re: mta propane - Rare? in reply to Stew Holliday, 11-01-2007 05:34:43

Stew,think I could have worded my last post better. After thinking about it, it may sound like I doubt what you have on your tractor. Just interesting information and brings a lot of questions to mind. In no way did I mean it to sound like I doubted your word. Got to admit its something new to me. I have never found a SM LP with a serial # 60001 and higher with a C suffix.

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D Slater

11-01-2007 09:15:07

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Re: mta propane - Rare? in reply to Stew Holliday, 11-01-2007 05:34:43

If they sold SMTA LP tractors from factory as you and Guy say, also if one has the originaly stamped C on serial plate and engine as you say. I have to apologize to poster about my previous post. I would say one of those is pretty rare. So rare in fact that IH must of kept them a secret from the parts system(unless a special manual somewhere) as no LP parts are showed for SM tractors above serial # 60001 in any SM parts manuals I have ben able to get my hands on. Can anyone explain why not?

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D Slater

10-31-2007 19:44:05

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Re: mta propane - Rare? in reply to Ray Gosnell, 10-31-2007 18:54:31

All the SMTA LP tractors were converted to LP after leaving factory. Some new tractors were sent to a company in Texas for LP conversion, and seem to be worth more to collectors than ones converted by others. If everything is in good operating order the LP is reliable and engine wear is better than gas. May be considered rare to some, but my opinion is there not that rare. There not worth any more than a gas MTA to me, but everyones different, some will think there worth more.

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Guy Fay

11-01-2007 05:13:54

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Re: mta propane - Rare? in reply to D Slater, 10-31-2007 19:44:05

Actually, no. There were LP tractors produced at Farmall Works- serial tags and production records support this. The IH Archives at the Wisconsin Historical Society would be able to give you the numbers.

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John A.

11-01-2007 22:04:27

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Re: mta propane - Rare? in reply to Guy Fay, 11-01-2007 05:13:54

Guy, I personally have always considered your word the last on most all Letter and Number series tractor questions. So your above statement leaves me questioning.....How can you say they are not rare? Only 500 were commissioned to be built, yes, many were shipped to the tank plant at Lubbock and 4 other tank plants too, minus tanks and carburation. Also the truck, and trains took tanks and carbs back to the factory. So many were completed in both places
Also there were some individuals who were charged from the factory to field convert tractors at farmers homes. I order docs from U of Wis for this subject got no real feel of exact #s, or list of serial #s. no real help there. There seems to be no rhyme or reason to serial #s in tractors that have been brought into the limelight either.
Most of the pertinant info on the StageIII, SM-TA-LP subject has been gleaned from others who knew of, or visited with and interviewed old IH employees who had first hand experience or knowledge with these tractors.
I will whole heartedly agree if you remove this fuel type it is no more rare than any other StageIII, SM-TA, gas version, But it is the fuel type that sets it apart. So....I respectfully disagree on your comment and ask you, is your statement more of, a personal "just particularly do not care for LP" mind set or what?
There are just waaay too many unanswered question s on this subject. I have personally visited with Stew up above and many others, and compared notes.
Do you have any new info that would help us LP guys?. Thank you!
Later,
John A.

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