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tricycle to wide front conversion?

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Daniel Wallace

11-11-2007 15:24:04




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Is it possible to switch from narrow to wide? I know Schwartz made an aftermarket wide front. How would one find just the front end and is it worth it?I have 160 acres of gently rolling pasture and hayfield. I am trying to decide whether to change the front end from tricycle to wide. Just for extra stability. It is a Farmall 400.




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georgeky

11-11-2007 21:09:54




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 Re: tricycle to wide front conversion? in reply to Daniel Wallace, 11-11-2007 15:24:04  
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They work well on rolling or hill land. As with any machinery be careful at all times. This is my 1950 M and 15 foot mower on KY hillsides. No problem.



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TMonton

11-13-2007 01:15:57




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 Re: tricycle to wide front conversion? in reply to georgeky, 11-11-2007 21:09:54  
Same here. We farmed on rolling hills with a variety of H's. All where narrow fronts.

Each were loaded tires with wheel weights and were amazingly stable especially under load. The "only" down side was either working a loader in mucky soil or fighting the wheel discing freshly plowed ground.

For this vintage tractor the Swartz was a heavier built add-on over and above the original IH's. The M and above seemed to accept these better for some reason and the H always seemed to be sit un-even. The H always looked like it was pointing slightly up hill at the nose.

The narrow front will spin on a dime if you hooked the brake when turning and practically drill a hole in the ground with the inside wheel. With the wide fronts you sacrifice a lot of turning radius if that is a factor.

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mkirsch

11-11-2007 20:23:08




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 Re: tricycle to wide front conversion? in reply to Doc Larry, 11-11-2007 15:24:04  
Wide fronts ride better over uneven ground. Most of the time only one wheel hits a bump at a time, and because the wheels are so far apart the distance the tractor bounces is cut in half.



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Zach Bouchard

11-11-2007 16:25:24




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 Re: tricycle to wide front conversion? in reply to Daniel Wallace, 11-11-2007 15:24:04  
I know on the old m's and H's it is an easy swap. Everthing on the tractor is generic and as long as you have all the pieces it wouldn't be that big of an ordeal.



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Hugh MacKay

11-11-2007 15:46:57




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 Re: tricycle to wide front conversion? in reply to Daniel Wallace, 11-11-2007 15:24:04  
Daniel: Tractor stability has more to do with center of graviety than wide versus narrow front end. If you set the rear wheels wide as convenient, I like 72" centers for Farmalls, use liquid and solid ballast, there will be very little difference in upset between a tractor with narrow and one with wide front.



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wolfman

11-11-2007 16:28:15




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 Re: tricycle to wide front conversion? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-11-2007 15:46:57  
I agree with Hugh. Spraddle her out in back as need be. a wide front pivots from the center-you'd be well into a roll over before the lower front wheel being wide could begin to help. We have some terrible hills here in s.w. Pa and most of my tractors are at least 8 feet wide. Outside to outside my 826 just fits into a 9 ft 3 in discbine pass. A couple of the pony wheel tractors are nearly as wide. They'l crawl around these hills with the best of them.

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Hugh MacKay

11-12-2007 05:40:57




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 Re: tricycle to wide front conversion? in reply to wolfman, 11-11-2007 16:28:15  
Wolfman: Right on, get em wide enough they'll slide down a hill sideways, without upset. This is one thing I always liked about duals, my 1066 was 11' outside on rear wheels.

My 11 year old daughter had pestered me to let her drive tractors. She had been operating skid steers two years, with ROPS and seat belt. Finally I gave her 1066 with 20', told her to stay well away from river, railway and elm trees. She didn't look very big in that ROPS cab. A friend dropped in, got very upset seeing this young lady wheeling that tractor and disk. I assured him she was quite capable of the task at hand, and I'll bet she wont bend a disk gang on an elm tree root like your 18 year old son did. With that he disappeared quite quickly. At the end of the day Heather had disked a 100 acres, and was looking for more.

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Daniel Wallace

11-11-2007 16:25:27




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 Re: tricycle to wide front conversion? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-11-2007 15:46:57  
Thanks! I figured out the search here and found some very good discussion. I think I will just keep it as is.



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Hugh MacKay

11-12-2007 01:26:10




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 Re: tricycle to wide front conversion? in reply to Daniel Wallace, 11-11-2007 16:25:27  
Daniel: If you had two tractors, one wide front and the other narrow, you would very quickly discover the job you are doing may change your preference. There are just some jobs around the farm wide front works better while others and just as many I might add you'd prefer the narrow front.

Personally I wouldn't buy an IH wide front tractor unless it was post 1963 or an offset. Those old wide fronts were so cumbersome, took twice as much room to turn one as the same tractor with narrow front.

I'll just give you a sequence of new tractors as they arrived at our farm. W4 - 1942, then an H in 51 with both wide and narrow front plus a IH 31 loader that could only be used with narrow front. Dad was a non believer in narrow front. By the way, he only ever put that wide front on twice. I got ahead of myself, a Cub arrived in 50. Then in 55 a 300 narrow front only. 58 the Cub got traded for a 130. Around 59-60 dad got a buy on a used Cockshutt 540 with a Wagner loader, mainly because he didn't want a loader tieing up 300 from field work, and by then W4 and H were gone. In 63 we bought a 560D wide front, we wanted both and 300 was staying. We used the 560 on the haybine because one could keep it's wheels off the hay 80% of the time giving faster drying. The 300 very much remained our choice of baler tractor, why, the narrow front was so much more manuverable it would bale hay as fast as the 560. In fact I went on to buy a 504, 656 and 1066 and not one of those tractors have baled more hay, on a given day, on my farm than the old Farmall 300. Bear in mind, baling hay if you store it every day is more about manpower than horsepower. If I could have had more manpower, could those other tractors have baled more hay, I doubt it.

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old

11-11-2007 18:39:37




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 Re: tricycle to wide front conversion? in reply to Daniel Wallace, 11-11-2007 16:25:27  
One other thing to think about is cost. A wide front for it will sell for $300 to 1000. The $300 one will be junk and need work welding etc. The $1000 one will be what you could get when new and was made by IH and be in real good shape. I know a place in Missouri that has probably 7 or 8 wides fronts starting at $400 and go up to around $1000

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