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Have a few questions on fixing leaks on my 1943 H

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neblinc

11-14-2007 06:27:00




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I have been slowly tearing down the 1943 H to get it ready for paint. I wantt to get all the leaks fixed, and there are quite a few.

I pulled the brake cover off of the left side after grinding off the weld third party image

Seems it is leaking either from the shaft that goes through the transmission or behind the brake drum. The shaft is worn on the left side, what is involved in replacing the seal?

The governor oil cover looks like the tube had been welded and was not seated on the governor, who knows how long it ran like that, the tube already has a kink in it, Do I need to replace it?

Are the axle seals easily replaced?

Have some kind of leak around the oil filter, the oil pressure tube is loose, hopefully that is the culprit.

What about the belt pulley, do I just remove it since it will probably never be used. It leaks pretty bad.

Not sure if you can see in the pics if the ring gear is worn enough to replace.

Looking in the shifter hole, there is lots of crud, I drained almost a gallon of water along with the oil. Do I pull the cover to get in there and clean it out?

The fan blade is missing the springs, what are they for? Can they be replaced?

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1943 H

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Ideas and suggestions are appreciated!!

Randy

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neblinc

11-15-2007 04:59:43




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 Re: Have a few questions on fixing leaks on my 1943 H in reply to neblinc, 11-14-2007 06:27:00  
Thanks for all the info guys!!

Randy



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Mike CA

11-14-2007 22:23:24




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 Re: Have a few questions on fixing leaks on my 1943 H in reply to neblinc, 11-14-2007 06:27:00  
Where are you in NorCal Bill? I'm below Fresno in Visalia.



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William Stubbs

11-15-2007 17:11:25




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 Re: Have a few questions on fixing leaks on my 1943 H in reply to Mike CA, 11-14-2007 22:23:24  
Mike CA,
I am in Santa Rosa. The H is on my front lawn. I was able to buy a used bull pinion for $60 plus shipping. There are plenty of junk parts available.
Best Regards.
Bill



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William Stubbs

11-14-2007 21:26:07




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 Re: Have a few questions on fixing leaks on my 1943 H in reply to neblinc, 11-14-2007 06:27:00  
I too am rebuilding an H (1947) I made a few mistakes working on the brakes. I tried to pull the bull pinion without moving the bull gear. REsult was I broke the bull pinion. I was trying to remove the brake seal by using 2 mounting bolts as jack screws. Big mistake. If you can get the seal out without removing bull pinion hsg it will save time. The seal is 1" thick and no longer available. I put in 2 (total of 4) p# 416444. The seal on the axle is p# 25043 and is easy but you have to remove the wheel and that is no small task.
Bill, Northern CA

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glennster

11-14-2007 10:15:52




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 Re: Have a few questions on fixing leaks on my 1943 H in reply to neblinc, 11-14-2007 06:27:00  
randy, i dont know if you are putting a new dress on a working girl or doing a full blown resto. i'll assume she is a working girl. brake drum has a seal behind it. pull the bolt out of the center, drum should slide off. (probably not) my m was stuck, i used an automotive brake drum puller. apply some pressure and pb blaster it. dont try to force it, you could crack the drum. i would put new seals in the belt pulley and leave er on. you can get a v-pulley to mount in place of the flat, and run stuff off it. i have a dc welder on my m belt pulley.the flywheel gear can be had new, or, you can heat it up, it will drop off and flip it over. should last another 20 years.flush the rear end out with kerosene. you can even put some in a garden pump sprayer and spray around inside the housing thru the shift tube hole, fill hole and drain hole.the other guys have the rest covered.

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edward_m

11-14-2007 09:07:34




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 Re: Have a few questions on fixing leaks on my 1943 H in reply to neblinc, 11-14-2007 06:27:00  
Hey, another guy rebuilding a '43 H! Welcome to the fun and games. (just kidding, its a blast to work on these old sweethearts) Maybe I can help on a few of your questions.

"Are the axle seals easily replaced?" Yes, but the hard part is removing the wheels: from the last photo, maybe you already did that. After that, its just a matter of pulling the end plate off and replacing the oil seal and felt seal.

"Seems it is leaking either from the shaft that goes through the transmission or behind the brake drum. The shaft is worn on the left side, what is involved in replacing the seal?"
You know, it could be that there was so much fluid in the rear end that it was causing you some problems (happened to me: when I filled to the correct level, the leaks quite...just a thought). If you have to replace the bearing and seal, your going to have to get into the bull pinion and differential pinion....not fun, but if your careful its not too bad.

"Looking in the shifter hole, there is lots of crud, I drained almost a gallon of water along with the oil. Do I pull the cover to get in there and clean it out?"
Every letter series and hundred series collects water in the final drive...its why you'll here allot of people on this forum tell you to drain the water every year. As far as cleaning it out, I filled the rear with a few gallons of diesel fuel (some advise kerosene, but diesel has more oil in it), ran it for awhile, and drained. Worked fine. Kinda you're call if you want to pull the deck and really wipe it clean.

*The governor oil cover looks like the tube had been welded and was not seated on the governor,..... Do I need to replace it?"
Your choice, but I would. Its not too pricey on e-bay when I see them. And its only a 15 minute job to change it.

"What about the belt pulley, do I just remove it since it will probably never be used. It leaks pretty bad."
My '43 didn't have a belt pulley, just the blanking plate. Again, I guess that's your call, depends if you're after a work or parade restoration. And if you're a purist, then you HAVE to fix it 'cause it came with it.

"The fan blade is missing the springs, what are they for? Can they be replaced?"
Those springs keep pressure on the water pump shaft and impeller through the thrust washer. I've never seen them on e-bay, but you should be able to buy them. As rusty as it appears, the fan is probably 'welded' to the shaft. Unless it starts to weep water, I wouldn't worry too much: I've got a '40 with the same condition and have never had a problem with it.

Didn't mean to get wordy here: hope some of this helps you out. Keep us posted as to how its going...remember we love pictures!
Good luck and have fun.

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Mike CA

11-14-2007 08:44:22




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 Re: Have a few questions on fixing leaks on my 1943 H in reply to neblinc, 11-14-2007 06:27:00  
Looking over the pictures, here are my opinions for the things I feel comfortable answering... if it were my tractor.

I would replace the govenor cover. It's not seating right, and I bet is an easy cheap replacement that will save you some heartache.

The oil filter leak looks like a leak around the push rod chamber plate. I bet it has a bad gasket and is easily replaced. I'd pull the filter cover and filter and make sure all old gasket rings have been scraped out of the bottom so you can get a new fresh one in there. Pop the chamber plate off and give the breather pipe assembly a look-see.
I personally wouldn't remove the belt pulley. I doubt I will ever use mine, but you never know. Plus, I don't think the tractors look "right" without them.
If I was doing what you are doing to that tractor I pull pull the transmission cover. I think I've read that guys fill them with kerosene to clean them out. Now would be the time to get the crud out and give the gears a good hairy eye ball to avoid future problems.
I'd replace the whole fan assembly if the springs by themselves can't be found. Although I have no idea what they are for.

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Mike CA

11-14-2007 07:09:30




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 Re: Have a few questions on fixing leaks on my 1943 H in reply to neblinc, 11-14-2007 06:27:00  
Randy,

You know I will be watching the answers to keep track of them, sorry I can't help. However, I don't know what "junk" parts availablity for you is. If you need anything for you '43, like a new fan blade, you let me know. I know every H that is sitting for parts in a 100 mile radius of me, and would be happy to help out. I can get the parts cheap, but shipping will be an issue for the heavier items. But if you need something, let me know.

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Kevin Meier

11-14-2007 14:01:06




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 Re: Have a few questions on fixing leaks on my 1943 H in reply to Mike CA, 11-14-2007 07:09:30  
the springs on the fan need to be there to keep shaft tension on the water pump or it will leak. If it"s been that way for a while you probably already have a leaking water pump.

Kevin
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