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Carden

12-01-2007 05:30:44

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When I bought my 1951M, from the fellow down the road who runs a local engine shop, he gave me a list of the rebuild job. With the posts a few threads back, I was curious if it is still considered 'stock'? He said the motor was done to "Super M" specs. If someone has the time could you look at this list and give me some input as to the job he did? I can't read some of his writing, maybe you could fill in the blanks please...

1) 248 to 264 CI over bore kit, Firecrater pistons

4) SL 149 M 4" sleeves

4) 2030 SB 1020... ?

1) 942 M .020 main bearings

1) 1106 M cam bearings

1) 260-1377 gasket set

4) SB1875 - 1 seat

4) SB1812 - 1 seat

4) 00204 Valve Int

4) 00203 Valve Ex

8) 140-15... N guides

8) 160-1288 springs

1) 5194 KX? ring set

1) high capacity clutch, pressure plate and throwout bearing. (looks like it says 'purple spring'?)

1) distributor rebuild kit IH

1) carb rebuild kit IH

1) float bowl kit

1) starter brush plate

Clean block, glass bead, 3 cam bearings, align bore mains, surface block

4) sleeves

4) pin fit, rod align

4) recondition rods

polish crankshaft .020 1020

radius oil holes

Valve job

surface head .125

8) replacement guides

8) cut in seats

1) surface flywheel

8) reface r...chor?

OK, here it is... I paid $2200 for it, needs paint but tin is very good. Rear tires are OK, checked but I have been using it right along. It is more tractor than I need but it called to me as I drove by. Compression is incredible, fires up immediately. I spent $800 and put a new Saginaw 3 point hitch on and my father helped me put the axle bearing and seal in that was leaking. I also changed the gear oil. Is this a $3000 tractor? I am in Upstate New York where everything is expensive. I've been quoted no less than $900 for 2 new rear tires, installed. I use it basically to drag trees to my outdoor wood boiler, brush hog, rear blade (snow) and pulling a wagon for cut firewood. One of the biggest problems I have discovered is it is a LARGE tractor to take into the woods. I have a much easier time with my fathers C for doing this, but boy does it pull stumps! Bored yet? Thanks...

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Bob Kerr

12-02-2007 13:10:06

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Re: My rebuilt M in reply to Carden, 12-01-2007 05:30:44

I know what you mean about snaking an M through the woods, did that all summer and I found myself mostly using the H to do that. Worked great and lots of pull for big logs. The M has the 3 point so it mostly saw bushhogging and grading and with the boom loading the logs the H dragged out to the road. My H has firecraters and I like them! gives the exhaust a bit of a crack and pulls hard. It even makes it up a lot of hills the M wont in high grear.

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NDS

12-01-2007 17:38:14

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Re: My rebuilt M in reply to Carden, 12-01-2007 05:30:44

You may be more experienced than I am but be carefull with the stump pulling there are more ways to get badly hurt trying to pull stumps with a tractor than a country man has ways to go to town.

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RichH

12-01-2007 13:53:56

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Re: My rebuilt M in reply to Carden, 12-01-2007 05:30:44

You could take your tractor and enter it in a Div. 1 tractor pull (stock) and be telling the truth. The thin sleeve update kit is a factory replacement part. I don't know if you can even get the thick sleeves anymore. As far as the other parts and work, like other posts have said, everything was done to make that engine last a long time even with alot of use. If you got the bug to try tractor pulling, that M would be a tough puller in Div. 1 5500 and 6500 lb. I've got that bug and with an M and a Super C that are both family tractors that I have restored. Happy stump pulling.

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SDE

12-01-2007 07:43:59

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Re: My rebuilt M in reply to Carden, 12-01-2007 05:30:44

If you are going into the woods with this tractor to pull out trees and clear stumps, you may not want to rush into getting new rear tires.
Buy some tire chains for using during the snow season. Most chains will work better with worn tires instead of new ones. How much weight do you have installed on the wheels? I put a second set of weights on mine this fall and I put on near new 13.6s, which replaced worn 14.9. I also have chains if I need them. If I were going to use it in the woods I would most likely put the old tires back on it.
SDE

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Carden

12-01-2007 07:56:13

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Re: My rebuilt M in reply to SDE, 12-01-2007 07:43:59

I haven't put new tires on it and can't afford to right now. I was told chains are better on used tires because they won't fall between the new treads and become basically useless. You reinforced that advice... I haven't plowed snow yet but am sure it will be a challenge or almost impossible until I do get chains. Not looking forward to back blade snow. Pun intended. I have an electric plow from a tired plowing pickup truck but no welding experience to make a front frame for it. A local welding shop quoted me a ridiculous amount to make one. Guess i'll back blade for now.

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georgeky

12-01-2007 07:18:07

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Re: My rebuilt M in reply to Carden, 12-01-2007 05:30:44

If you are happy, and your tractor can do all you ask and more, it is worth the price. Hell you can't even buy riding mowers for less than 3 grand now days. What other 3000 dollar tractor is out there that can do the work of the Farmall M. Nearly none. I have spent more than that on my M,s and not afraid to work them everyday. Can't pay for the gas they burn, but lots of life in your tractor if all that has been done to it. It will likely outlast you.

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Carden

12-01-2007 07:41:17

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Re: My rebuilt M in reply to georgeky, 12-01-2007 07:18:07

Thanks George. I"ll figure on putting it in my will for my two boys then. Unless I get frustrated trying to navigate through the trees, sell it, and buy something smaller like my fathers C. Thanks again...

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georgeky

12-01-2007 12:32:48

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Re: My rebuilt M in reply to Carden, 12-01-2007 07:41:17

I have a couple that have been through 3 generations. Got gramps's Cub he bought new in 50. It is still a plum goodern. Got an M my uncle bought new in 50 as well, and it is too. With more than one boy, you might consider keeping the M and getting yourself a C. I can't say enough good about either one. Like many before me, I have gotten real good service from M's and C's. If you are pulling big trees the M is the ticket.

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Carden

12-01-2007 06:46:47

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Re: My rebuilt M in reply to Andy Motteberg, 12-01-2007 05:30:44

Not without new tires and maybe chains huh?

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georgeky

12-01-2007 15:26:44

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Re: My rebuilt M in reply to Carden, 12-01-2007 06:46:47

I pull trees and firewood all winter with my M and old but good tires. 2 sets of weights, no fluid. I back my tire pressure back to 8 or 9 pounds for added traction. In deep mud or snow it helps to widen out the front wheels, so they don't get balled up.

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Carden

12-01-2007 06:31:58

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Re: My rebuilt M in reply to Carden, 12-01-2007 05:30:44

So Hal, besides the engine bore what significant differences are there from the M to the Super M?

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El Toro

12-01-2007 06:44:24

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Re: My rebuilt M in reply to Carden, 12-01-2007 06:31:58

Would like to that M to this vehicle and measure drawbar pull. Hal

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Carden

12-01-2007 06:29:57

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Re: My rebuilt M in reply to Carden, 12-01-2007 05:30:44

Again, I appreciate the humor!
Better than new? Now that's a compliment to his work and my purchase. I'm sure it is obvious that this is my first tractor. I have admired my fathers C for years and have always wanted a Farmall.
Outdoor boiler... no distillate, just hot water to heat my house. With the cost of fuel oil going through the roof, we had to do something. Of course distillate could pay for the fuel oil!

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Carden

12-01-2007 06:21:43

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Re: My rebuilt M in reply to Bill Gross, 12-01-2007 05:30:44

Funny, Where would the NOS unit go? Kidding... I was hoping I would get a positive review of what he did and I appreciate the humor too!

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NawlensGator

12-01-2007 06:03:29

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Re: My rebuilt M in reply to Carden, 12-01-2007 05:30:44

Outdoor Boiler?

I'd like to get some of that distillate.

The detailed list is impressive and engine could be considered better than new. Too bad it didn't come with a 3 point but I think you should be glad you've got a super tractor with only $3M in it. I know I would be. I've got more than that in each of my restored 140's.

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glennster

12-01-2007 05:58:55

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Re: My rebuilt M in reply to Carden, 12-01-2007 05:30:44

looking at what he did, he built that motor right. he align bored it, cleaned up the oil holes, replaced the valve seats for no lead fuel. he built that like a race motor. stock motor, maybe not. bullet proof motor..... definately!! add a blower and some NO2 and you got one of these!!!!

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El Toro

12-01-2007 05:52:26

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Re: My rebuilt M in reply to Carden, 12-01-2007 05:30:44

The stock engine for the M was 248 cid from the factory, but with thinner sleeves and larger pistons you can boost the cid to 264cid that's the stock engine for the Super M. The Super M can be increased to 281cid
using thinner sleeves. Hal

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