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mtdan

12-03-2007 09:25:09




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I read in a book something about Farmalls that were called FRAMEALLS..? it was a different version or something?? now I can not find the book I read it in.. any ideas or am I just loosing my Mind..




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moseed

12-05-2007 11:43:28




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 Re: FRAMEALL in reply to 55 50, 12-03-2007 09:25:09  
So, as I understand it there are referances pertaining to Framall.



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mtdan

12-04-2007 06:15:41




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 Re: FRAMEALL in reply to mtdan, 12-03-2007 09:25:09  
Nat. I read that issue of Red Power. Interesting.. I need to get more books like Hugh is talking about.. they are better than TV !!! Thanks for your input Everyone.. Dan



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Hugh MacKay

12-04-2007 03:41:10




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 Re: FRAMEALL in reply to mtdan, 12-03-2007 09:25:09  
Dan: I doubt if the word Frameall was ever used other than as a mis spelling. I've read two different books on the history of Farmall development, and the work done by E.A. Johnston and C.W. Mott in that development and subsequent patent applications. At no time in either book, was the word Frameall ever used.

I can only conclude that if E.A. Johnston never used the word Frameall, it never existed other than a mis spelling. The Farmall was Mr. Johnston's baby, he was the engineer involved in the development of the Farmall from day one. By the mid 1920 he probably was Mr. Farmall. He started his career with IH around 1894 and I believe he was with the company close to 50 years. He has over 160 patents to his credit at his time with IH.

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Super A

12-04-2007 08:51:54




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 Re: FRAMEALL in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-04-2007 03:41:10  
Framealls (Similar to A's and B's) were very real--they evolved in the mid-40's into what we know as the Super A with Touch Control hydraulics. I emailed Guy and asked, and while he didn't know for sure, there were elements of the Frameall hitch that look suspiciously like the 1 point Fast Hitch....

Guy Fay talks about the Framealls in his IH Experimental & Prototype Tractors book.

He showed some pics a couple years ago, I don't remember if it was here or on Red Power or what, of a show in WI. Someone had a Frameall A on display. Looked pretty much like a reglar A, but the hydraulic unit was totally different than what came out in the Super A's. Very interesting looking.

Al

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Hugh MacKay

12-04-2007 14:41:13




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 Re: FRAMEALL in reply to Super A, 12-04-2007 08:51:54  
Al: I have very little interest in what IH never put on the market. I've been reading IH literature well over a half century, have even read books all the way back to the days of old Cyrus. Now, if I did see the word Frameall, I would have considered a misprint or misspelling, as everyone else should have.



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Nat 2

12-03-2007 14:42:35




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 Re: FRAMEALL in reply to New2Farmall, 12-03-2007 09:25:09  
From what I can gather, little is known about the FRAMEALL tractors. What little I do know is that the FRAMEALL was to be a system of attaching and lifting various mounted implements on the smaller Farmalls. Presumably, as Athol points out, the direct result of the FRAMALL project was the Touch Control system, the hydraulic arms under the gas tank on Super A,s Cs, Super Cs, etc.

There is at least one FRAMEALL B known to exist; it was featured in an article in Red Power Magazine several months ago.

In the current issue of Red Power Mag, Jim Becker's article alludes to the FRAMEALL B, not by name, but as "an updated version of the Farmall B" that was scrapped in favor of the Farmall C.

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Athol Carr

12-03-2007 12:16:15




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 Re: FRAMEALL in reply to mtdan, 12-03-2007 09:25:09  
I understood that the framealls sere versions of the Farmalls A and B in the middle 1940s with new experimental hydraulics systems that eventually became the Touch-Control that appeared with the Farmall Super A and Farmall C in late 1947.



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moseed

12-03-2007 09:59:10




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 Re: FRAMEALL in reply to mtdan, 12-03-2007 09:25:09  
As I understand it Farmalls were Frameall's during the experimental phase of what became the Farmall Regular. There are a few "book learned" IHC fellas that can tell us for sure. Hope they see this.



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Rob Bush

01-04-2008 14:23:11




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 Re: FRAMEALL in reply to moseed, 12-03-2007 09:59:10  
Hi, If anyone is interested, I can help decribe the Frameall Experimental tractors. I have the one known Frame-all B tractor that was pictured in Red Power in March. The artical was a tribute to my dad. Rob



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