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TOWBOATT

12-03-2007 11:36:06




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JUST PICKED UP A FARMALL M. IT HAS A HAND CLUTCH ASSB. ON THE LEFT BRAKE COVER.HAS A SMALL CLUTCH WITH A HAND LEVER. DOES ANY KNOW WHAT THIS USED FOR.THANKS




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Steven f/AZ

12-05-2007 12:00:31




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 Re: HAND CLUTCH in reply to Mike CA, 12-03-2007 11:36:06  

LenNH said: (quoted from post at 11:52:11 12/05/07) Quite familiar with standard H and M, SM, SM-TA, but not familiar with hand clutch. Was this from IHC, or an aftermarket add-on? Thanks for any info.


Aftermarket from M&W Gear Company... more info here on KellyC's web pages:

mnfarmall.com

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LenNH

12-05-2007 10:52:11




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 Re: HAND CLUTCH in reply to TOWBOATT, 12-03-2007 11:36:06  
Quite familiar with standard H and M, SM, SM-TA, but not familiar with hand clutch. Was this from IHC, or an aftermarket add-on? Thanks for any info.



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Nat 2

12-03-2007 14:53:28




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 Re: HAND CLUTCH in reply to Al Smith, 12-03-2007 11:36:06  
Specifically, you pull the handle while baling if you hit a big slug of hay and run out of power. It's much better than pushing the clutch pedal and plugging the baler.

My grandfather, as the story goes, used to bale with his left foot braced against the shift lever. If he hit a tough spot, he'd pop the tractor out of gear with his foot, let the slug work through, then push the clutch and put the tractor back in gear... No need for them fancy new-fangled "live" PTOsthird party image

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Andy Martin

12-03-2007 17:37:13




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 Re: HAND CLUTCH in reply to Nat 2, 12-03-2007 14:53:28  
Well, I still bale with a straight M even though I have an M with the hand clutch. It works good, but because of other operating issues we use it mostly for raking.

If you are baling in third gear with a square baler and the going gets tough, you can slip it into neutral between strokes and on into second without ever touching the clutch. When the hay lightens up, you can hit the clutch just after the plunger hits the hay and get right into third gear.

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Brian in MA

12-03-2007 17:27:15




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 Re: HAND CLUTCH in reply to Nat 2, 12-03-2007 14:53:28  
I'm only 36 and used the same approach until I could afford a tractor with live PTO. Now the farmall doesn't bale at all. Much the same way that I don't cut firewood with an axe, I use my chainsaw. And you know what, my 70 horsepower diesel tractor uses less fuel than my H did baling hay.



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Andy Martin

12-03-2007 17:46:37




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 Re: HAND CLUTCH in reply to Brian in MA, 12-03-2007 17:27:15  
I just can't imagine a 70 hp diesel square baling with less fuel than a well-tuned H. I only baled about 15,000 square bales per year, net exactly ful time, but I could never justify a bigger tractor on less than $1,000 of gasoline per year. I just figured the newer tractor would use some fuel too, and expensive parts, and the M's just never break down.

Now we only bale a couple of thousand square bales and the rest are round bales but I'm still stuck using M's. I'm using a SM but bought a 450D two years ago. I thought I'd get it together for last summer, maybe this summer. It's been torn down almost two years. Oh well.

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Brian in MA

12-04-2007 07:20:37




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 Re: HAND CLUTCH in reply to Andy Martin, 12-03-2007 17:46:37  
I have a 1980 Ford 5600 (65 PTO HP) that I use. Mowing and baling I consume around 1.5 gallons/hour, certainly less than 2. I always figured the H used better than 2, sometimes as much as 3 gallons/hour if I was pushing it and the M sucks between 4 and 5 under heavy load. Not to mention that with the Ford, PTO RPMs are constant, not subject to the governer on the FarmAll, especially useful with the haybine. Then there's the power steering, live power, better seat, canopy on the ROPS...I love the old iron, but I love to work with the newer iron. I'm only making 3,000 bales a year and "justify" is a relative term. I also bought a 1979 Ford 4600 (52 PTO HP) this year to use for raking & tedding to save even more run time on the H. The 4600 uses even less fuel than the 5600. My wife does most of the tedding & raking and the Fords are really much simpler for her to start and use than the FarmAlls.

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Andy Martin

12-04-2007 19:54:10




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 Re: HAND CLUTCH in reply to Brian in MA, 12-04-2007 07:20:37  
I guess it is all in how you have the fuel jet set. I don't think I can run 5 gal per hour in an M. My hand was in a starter shop (19 year old college kid) when he told the owner he wanted an alternator for an M. One of the customers said "whew! Those things burn 55 gal a day."

The kid was smart enough to keep his mouth shut, but he still laughs about it. We don't haul gas around when we are haying. Leave the house in the morning and maybe put 5 or 10 gallons in it at noon, and maybe not. Many times he's topped an M off with 10 gallons and says "Whew, 55 gallons a day!"

Our H's are such tea sippers we don't think much about fuel and run out occasionally.

We run a 9 ft haybine, 9 ft sickle, 8 wheel V rake and a 347 JD square baler, and don't know what a tedder is, when the heat hits in OK in August you'd better be baling two hours after you mow or it'll get too dry.

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Brian in MA

12-05-2007 04:41:18




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 Re: HAND CLUTCH in reply to Andy Martin, 12-04-2007 19:54:10  
Out here it takes 2 days to dry hay, if you are lucky. That explains why you can make 10,000 bales of hay with less fuel than I can make 3,000 bales. I mow it, spin it out with the tedder 3 times, then rake it over twice before I can bale it. Thanks for the comments. God Bless!



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Steven f/AZ

12-03-2007 11:47:53




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 Re: HAND CLUTCH in reply to TOWBOATT, 12-03-2007 11:36:06  
Live PTO.

You can stop the forward motion of the tractor with the hand clutch and the PTO will keep running. You cannot shift gears using the hand clutch - you will still have to use the foot clutch to change gears and stop PTO.



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