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Yet another question about the new H

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RockyMO

12-03-2007 19:06:20




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Rest assured I have an owners manual and shop manual ordered from this site. Until they come in though I am stuck with trying to figure out what some of the items are in the dark. Can anyone tell me what the lever in this picture is for? I hear a squeal noise like a pump when I try to engage it. There are some hydraulic ports that are plugged and I am wondering if it goes to them. I think I have figured out the rest of the levers and knobs. Thanks,

RockyMO
1942 Ford 2N
1953 Ferguson TO 30
Massey Ferguson 2135
Oliver HG
Real tractors have tracks
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LenNH

12-05-2007 17:03:12




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 Re: Yet another question about the new H in reply to RockyMO, 12-03-2007 19:06:20  
I was a pipsqueak when the H and M came out in 1939. I used to find a way to get my father to take us to town just so's I could go in to the dealer's and look at 'em. We had a 10-20 and an F-12, so sometimes he had to buy a part and that made the 5 mile "trip" worthwhile. Back on the gravel roads of the 30s, 5 miles was sometimes a bit of a trip when you were busy. Most everybody knows these tractors were designed by Raymond Loewy and/or his design firm. I think the design itself is one of the most beautiful of anything ever made, and I am not just talking about tractors. These tractors had some shortcomings (like the H not having quite as much power as a rubber-tired F-20, and a LOT less torque for sure), but they were light years ahead of the F-20 and F-30 for comfort and ease of driving. The H, especially, is physically not much bigger than an F-14, and has similar characteristics--fairly small engine, running much faster than the tractors of the 20s and 30s, lighter gears, maybe somewhat smaller axles, etc., etc., compared to the F-20s and F-30s. An H is a delightful chore tractor, because it is easy to steer, has excellent visibility from the seat, has a responsive engine and governor, and a pretty good selection of gears. IHC was probably trying to save a little money at the end of the Depression by not putting in an intermediate road gear (say, 8 mph), and that is a real shortcoming. Pulling a loaded farm wagon over a gravel road at 5-6 mph requires the H to be in 4th gear with the throttle wide open. Fifth gear is much too fast to pull a heavy load throttled back to 5 mph. John Deere and Oliver got it right by making a six-speed, with both a fairly-fast high road speed and an intermediate road speed that would allow pulling at 5 or 6 mph with the engine running fast enough to give needed torque. Just for the record, fifth "gear" is not really a gear at all--it is just a dog clutch which moves forward to engage teeth on the input shaft--just like third gear in a traditional 3-speed auto or pickup transmission. This is probably why the tractor is so fast in fifth. Too fast, in my opinion. I still think this choice was an engineering decision to make for a simpler and maybe cheaper gearbox. Anyway, I hope you enjoy this tractor when you get everything working right. When it is painted shiny red, you will feel like a king sitting up there, peering down that beautifully-tapered hood and listening to the crackle of the exhaust.

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GordoSD

12-04-2007 05:57:02




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 Re: Yet another question about the new H in reply to RockyMO, 12-03-2007 19:06:20  
The light bar tool box is rare, and worth about 150 dollars.

Gordo



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Mike CA

12-03-2007 19:41:07




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 Re: Yet another question about the new H in reply to RockyMO, 12-03-2007 19:06:20  

RockyMO said: All in all, the guy delivered it to the house for $200 and it runs well, sounds good and drove itself around back.


$200 is a fantastic deal for a running, driving H. You lucked out with that one!
What are your plans for the tractor? Looks like it would be a great candidate for a show piece!

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RockyMO

12-03-2007 19:55:54




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 Re: Yet another question about the new H in reply to Mike CA, 12-03-2007 19:41:07  
My plans are to first play with it and see what kind of shape it's really in. I am still unsure of the clutch. The engine sounds pretty much perfect. The stuck in 2 gears I now am pretty sure is an easy fix. If it all checks out the way I think it will, the push bumper comes off and it falls in line right behind the Oliver HG for a make over. I like to go to the shows and I think it would make a fine piece to hook to a grain mill or something with the leather belt. I kind of had the shows in mind when I bought it. I much prefer a wide front end for a worker.

RockyMO
1942 Ford 2N
1953 Ferguson TO 30
Massey Ferguson 2135
Oliver HG
Real tractors have tracks
and a farmall H

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Paul Shuler

12-03-2007 19:28:31




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 Re: Yet another question about the new H in reply to RockyMO, 12-03-2007 19:06:20  
You might check your hydraulic fluid level. It might be dry or very low.
Paul



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RockyMO

12-03-2007 19:36:00




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 Re: Yet another question about the new H in reply to Paul Shuler, 12-03-2007 19:28:31  
Thanks, that is on the list of things to do. Still waiting on daylight and shop manuals so I can find all the fluid caps and grease fittings.

RockyMO
1942 Ford 2N
1953 Ferguson TO 30
Massey Ferguson 2135
Oliver HG
Real tractors have tracks
and a farmall H

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IaGary

12-03-2007 19:24:44




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 Re: Yet another question about the new H in reply to RockyMO, 12-03-2007 19:06:20  
Was that tractor formally owned by the narcotics squad to ram the doors in? (:~})

Gary



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RockyMO

12-03-2007 19:34:29




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 Re: Yet another question about the new H in reply to IaGary, 12-03-2007 19:24:44  
Close, An automotive repair shop has used it for the last several years to push dead cars in and out of the shop. He thought the clutch was out of it and didn't want to put anymore money in it so they did not even look at the clutch. I found the tractor stuck in 2 gears at the same time (my first post). The tractor now seems to move fine but I haven't had a chance to confirm the clutch is good or bad. All in all, the guy delivered it to the house for $200 and it runs well, sounds good and drove itself around back.

RockyMO
1942 Ford 2N
1953 Ferguson TO 30
Massey Ferguson 2135
Oliver HG
Real tractors have tracks
and a farmall H

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karl f

12-04-2007 05:45:34




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 Re: Yet another question about the new H in reply to RockyMO, 12-03-2007 19:34:29  
maybe the clutch is fine and the shop had no clue about 2 gears at a time.
a lot of the shops we deal with at my job have no clue, and they are supposed to be experts!
open up the access cover and take a peek at your clutch. on my H the clutch is definitely bad, but it will still pull a load. my pedal vibrates something awful when you attempt to feather it with alot of chatter from the bellhousing. if you look at the fingers and such, it looks like a bomb went off.

karl f

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Mike CA

12-03-2007 19:19:16




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 Re: Yet another question about the new H in reply to RockyMO, 12-03-2007 19:06:20  
I think you have that figured out Rocky. That lever controls the hydraulic pump in the belly. When you engage it, it's pressurizing the hydraulic fluid, which is causing the noise you hear.



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RockyMO

12-03-2007 19:30:26




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 Re: Yet another question about the new H in reply to Mike CA, 12-03-2007 19:19:16  
Thanks, the pump noise would be because the hydraulic ports are capped off. It all makes sense, just wasn't sure. I look forward to the day I can play with the tractor in the daylight.

RockyMO
1942 Ford 2N
1953 Ferguson TO 30
Massey Ferguson 2135
Oliver HG
Real tractors have tracks
and a farmall H

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