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When did IH introduce live power

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mark

12-25-2007 07:23:27




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What year and on what model did IH introduce live power? What was the first year and model to have a 3 point hitch? Merry Christmas to all.




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Mike Farmer

12-26-2007 11:35:27




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 Re: When did IH introduce live power in reply to mark, 12-25-2007 07:23:27  
If my memory serves me well The Super BMD was defininitely 1953 but I THINK the B250 not until 1954/55 MTF



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Hugh MacKay

12-26-2007 02:29:13




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 Re: When did IH introduce live power in reply to mark, 12-25-2007 07:23:27  
mark: Live Power what? If it's PTO, SMTA in 1954. If it's hydraulics Cub and Super A in 1947. 3 point hitch would be most of the British tractors around 1953, Super BMD would have been first followed by B-250. If you want the first American built IH with true 3 point hitch, then it would have been 404, 504 and 606 in 1961.

If IH never put it on the market as in the 10-20 IPTO it couldn't be considered a viable first. Same with those hitch conversions on 240, 340 and 460, couldn't really be considered a true 3 point hitch.

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Al in Mn

12-25-2007 20:48:39




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 Re: When did IH introduce live power in reply to mark, 12-25-2007 07:23:27  
The concept of the LPTO was present at the time of the 10-20. There is a picture of a 10-20 in "One Hundredfifty Years of International Harvestor with
a LPTO on a Proto Type. They ran it off the front of the crankshaft and brought it back on the right side of the tractor. It was never marketed.



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Mark Peters

12-25-2007 19:12:03




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 Re: When did IH introduce live power in reply to mark, 12-25-2007 07:23:27  
George, your 100 % correct on that. My Super C`s fast hitch is WAY easier to hitch,adjust,use and unhitch than my 300U,240 or 340 Farmalls are. I`m not as big a fan of the traction control fast hitches as I am of the earlier version on the Super C ,200,300 and 400 Farmall.In my opinion,IH took a step backward on the traction control hitches. It didn`t take long for them to get pretty sloppy.



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georgeky

12-25-2007 20:22:23




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 Re: When did IH introduce live power in reply to Mark Peters, 12-25-2007 19:12:03  
Yep, mine on the 350 and 450 are pretty loose. Dad had a 230 when I was a kid, and we didn't know to take the pin out of the cylinder frame. Never could plow with it. I figured that out when I got the 350. Plows fine with the pin out so it can float. For what they are I get more from my C and SC's than any tractors I have.



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Mark Peters

12-25-2007 17:46:34




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 Re: When did IH introduce live power in reply to mark, 12-25-2007 07:23:27  
If you`re talking IPTO, then it`s SMTA in `54. I think the first U.S. built tractors that offered 3 pt. would be the 240U,340U, 460U,240 and 340 Farmalls. On these tractors IH introduced the 3 pt. fast hitch as an option.It wasn`t much more than a fast hitch to 3 pt. conversion. The first U.S. built tractor offered solely with 3 pt. would have probably been the International/Farmall 404 in 1961.This had top link draft control whereas the 40 and 60 series did not. I dont know when the British built B250/B275 came out, had to be around same time as the 404 I`m thinking. On a side note, I`m with those who are sticking up for the fast hitch.There isn`t a handier hitching system around for ease of hitching and unhitching(assuming you`re on level groundthird party image ) Mark

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georgeky

12-25-2007 18:12:27




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 Re: When did IH introduce live power in reply to Mark Peters, 12-25-2007 17:46:34  
Mark, that would depend on which tractor you were on. The SC and 200 had touch control that would move hitch to to work on almost any slope. It would change pitch forward and aft as well as side to side from the seat with the control levers.



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mkirsch

12-25-2007 15:33:54




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 Re: When did IH introduce live power in reply to Andrew Z, 12-25-2007 07:23:27  
Depends on what he meant by "live power." I've seen it used to mean hydraulics and PTO interchangeably.



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Red Dave

12-25-2007 13:24:09




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 Re: When did IH introduce live power in reply to mark, 12-25-2007 07:23:27  
1948 on the C and Super A



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georgeky

12-25-2007 15:03:07




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 Re: When did IH introduce live power in reply to Red Dave, 12-25-2007 13:24:09  
No C or SA has ever had live power(PTO) That is different than live hydraulics. I may be confused, but I was assuming he was asking about live PTO instead of live hydraulics. If so the 1954 SMTA would have been the first with IPTO. If he is asking about live hydraulics that would 1947 on the SA and Cub.



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Red Dave

12-26-2007 05:25:46




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 Re: When did IH introduce live power in reply to georgeky, 12-25-2007 15:03:07  
You are right George, I was thinking of live hydraulics.



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CNKS

12-25-2007 09:18:05




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 Re: When did IH introduce live power in reply to mark, 12-25-2007 07:23:27  
On U.S. built tractors, the first live PTO was on the SMTA in 1954. The first live hydraulic power was on the Cub, Super A, and C in 1948. First live power on the larger tractors came with the Stage 2 Super M, probably in 1953. The A and B had an exhaust lift, which has nothing to do with the clutch or hydraulics in 1939 -- those were "live." 3 point, I am not sure. I do know that the 460 utility industrial version had 3 point as an option -- first built in 1958, I do not know if the first industrial models had that option, but it is in the parts manual.

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Mike Farmer

12-25-2007 09:10:30




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 Re: When did IH introduce live power in reply to mark, 12-25-2007 07:23:27  
Live power--don't know. Basic 3point hitch probably Super BM and Super BMD 1953 and quite likely Super BWD6 of same era.I know we had a BMD in June 1953 with a mounted plough. I think it worked with a single exterior hydraulic ram as an extention of the lift all but I dont claim to remember all the detail from 50 years back. MTF



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CNKS

12-25-2007 12:59:57




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 Re: When did IH introduce live power in reply to Mike Farmer, 12-25-2007 09:10:30  
Live hydraulics for the W/WD/O/OD 6 series were available in Feb 1951 according to Guy Fay's Letter series book.



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CNKS

12-25-2007 13:01:00




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 Re: When did IH introduce live power in reply to CNKS, 12-25-2007 12:59:57  
This was supposed to go below my original post.



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Jimmy King

12-25-2007 08:35:17




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 Re: When did IH introduce live power in reply to mark, 12-25-2007 07:23:27  
live PTO came out on the 1954 Super MTA. it could have been in 1953. like cars do I am already seeing some used 2008 cars on the internet.



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glennster

12-25-2007 08:28:11




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 Re: When did IH introduce live power in reply to mark, 12-25-2007 07:23:27  
wasnt it the super a the came out with live power? i think the first super a's were in 1947. the cubs also had live pumps, my 51 has a live pump.



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Fromjb2

12-25-2007 08:16:16




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 Re: When did IH introduce live power in reply to mark, 12-25-2007 07:23:27  
Re 3pt, in Canada, about 1956 neighbour bought a B250 UK made Diesel and it had 3pt hitch.

JimB



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ny bill o

12-25-2007 07:27:52




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 Re: When did IH introduce live power in reply to mark, 12-25-2007 07:23:27  
live power should have been 1954 with the super mta. the 3pt might have been the B275 in the early 60s? i thought it was heresy at the time.



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mark

12-25-2007 07:36:58




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 Re: When did IH introduce live power in reply to ny bill o, 12-25-2007 07:27:52  
heresy? HAR! I think the same about Allis dropping the snap coupler for the 3 point hitch. I will always maintain that the snap coupler hitch is/was the best ever devised....regardless of the color.



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georgeky

12-25-2007 07:54:07




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 Re: When did IH introduce live power in reply to mark, 12-25-2007 07:36:58  
Mark, the 404 ,504 and so on where probably the first American built Farmalls with a modern 3 point hitch. What makes the snap coupler better than the fast hitch? I have used both, and prefer the fast hitch 2 to 1. It is easier to adapt other implements to, will serve as a jack for rear end, drawbar will let down to pick heavy implements up that may have sunk in soft ground. Everyone has and is entiltled to an opinion, but for me the Fast hitch on the Farmall wins hands down.

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russ hamm

12-25-2007 10:33:43




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 Re: When did IH introduce live power in reply to georgeky, 12-25-2007 07:54:07  
I heartily agree george. The fast hitch is my favorite. I can attatch and detatch implements by myself easily. Anyone like me that has ever tried to hook up a three point attatchment on a deere with a creeping system would agree. We had one here at work that would go up and down past where you needed it every time. Finally had to hook up stuff from the ground in between the tractor and implement. That's dangerous. I'll take the fast hitch.

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georgeky

12-25-2007 11:11:43




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 Re: When did IH introduce live power in reply to russ hamm, 12-25-2007 10:33:43  
Russ, I only have a couple of 3 point implements left. I have a 3 X 16 IH plow for my 666, and a bale spike. I use my 1300 3 point mower for parts for the FH mower. Everything else is fast hitch, trailing or the older stuff that bolts on. Those slip joints on 3 point arms help, but the fast hitch is still much easier. Don't have to leave the seat except to hook up driveshafts and such.



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